Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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sure? okay, i just had alook. all pics in a red shirt i found (so far) were mirror universe. but i thought he wore a red one in the real world, too.
... and, btw wouldn't it make sense to give those security-redshirts some combat training. but then, not having gotten any may be the reason for their extraordinary perishability.
He never wears a red uniform outside the Mirror universe in TOS.
Join Starfleet we'll take any (fool) one
More than that, there's the fact Georgiou has a diploma from the Laikan Military Academy which includes the Starfleet arrowhead on it.
"No, Starfleet's not military, we just run a military academy because, umm, reasons."
Yeah, right...
Astronauts are human beings. Subject to the same failings as the rest of us. Nowak is of course an extreme example, but I'm sure there are astronauts with substance abuse problems, failed marriages, petty disputes with family, friends or co-workers, poor decisions and other things that plague us mere mortals. Lets not confuse the ability to pilot a spacecraft with being perfect humans.
Logic, facts, and objective rationality have no place in any discussion about Star Trek Discovery
Combat is not Starfleet's primary mission. The same reason why the police who have military grade weapons, vehicles and tactics (SWAT) are not military. Technically the Coast Guard isn't military either but I don't want to argue with any guardsmen
. So yes reasons.Donald Trump graduated from a military academy. That doesn't make him a soldier.
Um, go reawatch TOS and ENT because the ST: D characters ARE closer to the ENT and TOS characters. (Or did you forget somewhat-psycho Trip after his sister was killed; or 'Airlock Archer'; and not to mention the actions Archer took in ENT - "Azati Prime" and ENT - "Damage"? And there were plenty of times Kirk and Spock felt a death/destruction lesson or threat was the best/quickest way to a given weeks episode solution.)
Yeah, I remember them mentioning that hunting on Earth had been outlawed about a century before "Rogue Planet(ENT)," which stretched credulity unless it meant a worldwide and strictly-enforced ban on the hunting of any and all species considered to be threatened or endangered. I can believe that. But you'd still need wildlife management to thin herds even after World War III and First Contact, and no matter how evolved mankind becomes it's going to be hard to envision a world where even sport hunting of commonplace animals is completely and totally outlawed.
I missed the boxing reference. Odd, since boxing reappears (at least from a chronological and timeline point of view) in the franchise in Voyager, even if it is a fantasy world or alien-triggered hallucination being experienced by Chakotay.
Boxing was banned then reinstated due to the revival of Cage fighting, just like baseball made a comeback.
Plus humans complained if Vulcans can have sus mahna then we want our boxing!
I've never heard of this incident, interesting. Pretty wild.
Well stated.
"Failed marriage" was a apparently a mission requirement for Gemini astronauts. Don't know if it's still the case.
Nowak, Finney. Potato / potato. See, just like TOS.
When is the mission for combat superseded? Ever?Combat is not Starfleet's primary mission. The same reason why the police who have military grade weapons, vehicles and tactics (SWAT) are not military. Technically the Coast Guard isn't military either but I don't want to argue with any guardsmen
Donald Trump graduated from a military academy. That doesn't make him a soldier.
If you're more comfortable calling the Starfleet a police force then OK. But they are still charged with peace keeping through threat or application of force. And if it was truly a job they do not do then there would be someone else who did.
Trump went to a military academy that existed because his nation has a military.
All of our cast in Disco are fighting a war. As did many / most of the cast of TOS and TNG. If they're not soldiers then who is?
Starfleet can step up with military action when required, but I'm pretty sure all incarnations have made it clear they are explorers FIRST and their military might is has always been for defense purposes. Heck, DIS has characters upset about the war taking precedence over exploration.
They have, but most incarnations had them more than competent for a battle situation. Hell, Pike and a couple other Captains we saw in TOS are out there now, and would be more than ready to kick anyone's ass.
Sir Walter Raleigh argued the same thing, to the Spanish & French he was nothing more than a pirate who got lucky.....
