Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

[Guy Gardener]

After 6 months of war, Voq hadn't shared cloaking tech with the rest of the empire, or sold cloaking tech to a wealthy House or houses?

Couldn't Voq have traded cloaking tech for a couple planets full of food?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Saru or someone else grabbed it when they evacuated the ship. They probably took plenty of other stuff too. This is really not a problem.

Why that though?
Sure it's a problem. This is Star Trek, anything not explicitly mentioned or seen becomes a "problem"

 

[Guy Gardener]

Saru or someone else grabbed it when they evacuated the ship. They probably took plenty of other stuff too. This is really not a problem.

Was the message supposed to be attached to the willed gift?

 

[Nerys Myk]

After 6 months of war, Voq hadn't shared cloaking tech with the rest of the empire, or sold cloaking tech to a wealthy House or houses?

Couldn't Voq have traded cloaking tech for a couple planets full of food?

Most Klingons would rather kill him than talk to him .

 

[Longinus]

Why that though?

They had known each other for years. Many people on that ship probably knew it was a hundreds of years old priceless family heirloom.

 

[Longinus]

Most Klingons would rather kill him than talk to him .

Sure. So why not kill him and take the cloak? Every day they left that ship floating there they risked the Feds coming to take it instead. (And they should have, but they were inexplicably idiotic too.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

They had known each other for years. Many people on that ship probably knew it was a hundreds of years old priceless family heirloom.

Possibly.

 

[Longinus]

Was the message supposed to be attached to the willed gift?

Probably.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sure. So why not kill him and take the cloak? Every day they left that ship floating there they risked the Feds coming to take it instead. (And they should have, but they were inexplicably idiotic too.)

Might be too far behind enemy lines.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Probably.

Good thing they grabbed the right heirloom.

 

[Longinus]

Might be too far behind enemy lines.

What lines? If it was on Federation controlled space then the feds should have grabbed it. It is completely implausible that no one cares about this unguarded piece of game changing super tech for six months.

 

[Woulfe]

Actually, some random security guy was the creature's lunch last week aboard the USS Glenn. Classic red shirt death.

So the count is officially 2 then ;-)

 

[Nerys Myk]

What lines? If it was on Federation controlled space then the feds should have grabbed it. It is completely implausible that no one cares about this unguarded piece of game changing super tech for six months.

Was it still Federation controlled space after the Battle of the Binary Stars or did Starfleet retreat? With Klingons coming and going at will at the battle site, I tend to think it's the latter.

 

[eschaton]

Agreed. If only they had let it go with Worf’s wink to the fans instead of explaining it on Enterprise.

What they really should have done is have Worf transform into a smooth-head as soon as he was in the 23rd century. That would drive the point home quite well.

But canon is what it is now. And I think we're going to see augments before the series is done.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

What lines? If it was on Federation controlled space then the feds should have grabbed it. It is completely implausible that no one cares about this unguarded piece of game changing super tech for six months.

I agree that is silly for the Klingons to not have come back for the Cloaking device. However, if the Federation had grabbed the tech and started cloaking their ships would that have not lead to criticisms regarding the federation not using cloaks in 2256 or that the Federation doesn't steal technology, Starfleet are thieves now etc. I agree with you that the Federation probably should have taken the cloak had they decided to come back to the battle site, but I can understand the writers not wanting to do that.

 

[Longinus]

Was it still Federation controlled space after the Battle of the Binary Stars or did Starfleet retreat? With Klingons coming and going at will at the battle site, I tend to think it's the latter.

We keep going circles. If the Klingons controlled the area, then why did they leave the cloak there for six months?

 

[Nerys Myk]

We keep going circles. If the Klingons controlled the area, then why did they leave the cloak there for six months?

That's a different question than why the Federation didn't grab it.
I got no answer for why the Klingons didn't.

 

[Fateor]

Ignoring the augment virus would be a stellar idea.

They can't, it would render Discovery non-canon since there's no wiggle room with the event.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Might be too far behind enemy lines.

They were 3 days from a Federation space-station, and not much further from a colony planet.

So... That may mean that the locations mentioned in the pilot, as nearby, may have been overrun and are now controlled by the Klingons in the preceding 6 months.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They can't, it would render Discovery non-canon since there's no wiggle room with the event.

All they have to do is not mention it. The idea that they must is the type is thinking that led to the augment virus plot line in the first place.