Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

[KirkusOveractus]

Maybe next episode they will show how an arrowhead badge is hand-crafted from the finest metals in the Federation. That should burn ten minutes!

It will be a futuristic version of seeing a guy in a blacksmith shoppe, pushing the bellows, coals getting hotter. He puts the small pot of metal over it, seeing it slowly melt into a pool of silver liquid.

Close up of the metal being poured into a form, sparks coming up randomly, smoke and hissing noises.

He closes the mold, turns it over and gets it to cool. He taps with his hammer, pulls back the top mold, and turns it over on an anvil.

Montage of the metal being formed on the edges, then brilliantly polished. The sonic wallpaper builds (or does it?) to reveal a Science insignia!

BLACK SCREEN

CREDITS.

 

[oberth]

I would seriously fall off of my couch laughing if that ends up being the case!

me too - after that i'll buy all stocks of the humble pie bakery i can get

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I think Voq the Albino might end up using Mokai genetic technology to turn the whole Klingon Empire into humans. "I can't be a true Klingon? Fine then, no one can be a Klingon!"

And the other Klingons can be like "Not again!"

He then says, "Why not? What the Voq?"

 

[CardassianAssassin]

Was I the only one bothered by the shushing Klingon? I mean, really? Klingons don't hang around humans, certainly not enough to pick up one of our traits as putting a finger to ones mouth and making a shhhhh sound to be quiet. If this was Worf, yeah, that would make sense, but it wasn't.

Good catch. The correct gesture for something like “be quiet” or “go copulate with yourself” varies from culture to culture on earth in many cases.

 

[Kor]

I hope they don't give yet another explanation for smoothie Klingons. The first one was bad enough already.

I guess he thought he signed up to explore parts of the galaxy, instead his talents are exploited to help fight off the Klingons.

Pretty much the same goes for many people finding out that their jobs are not like what their contract or job description stated it was.

There's a big difference between finding out that your job actually involves tons of boring administrative paperwork, and finding out that your job involves front-line combat.

Kor

 

[cultcross]

Oh it was a joke. Quite a good one. It's no stupider than decades of aliens speaking perfectly lip synched English with or without the possibility a translator around.

 

[BillJ]

Good catch. The correct gesture for something like “be quiet” or “go copulate with yourself” varies from culture to culture on earth in many cases.

Yeah, but we're all humans watching it. So I imagine most of us got the idea.

 

[CardassianAssassin]

it looks a lot like that, but what on earth is he doing in starfleet then?

Isn’t that self explanatory? Those “threat ganglions” gotta be hella useful. I can’t imagine a captain who wouldn’t line up to have a Saru on his bridge.

“Uh-oh. the science officers threat ganglions are out! Battle stations everyone! Shields up and pay attention to the long range scanners!”

 

[seigezunt]

Season 2 is worse than Season 1 unfortunately. Probably the single worst season of Trek overall aside from TOS Season 3. But if you can make it though that, it picks up a lot.

I find people either hate ENT season 2 or season 3, one of the two.

 

[Prax]

Missions in the same place.

They go to an ocean.

One mission is how much salt, and another mission is how many turtles, followed by 398 more equally as asinine missions.

Science is mostly about measuring or counting stuff, so you can find patterns and constants so that you don't have to keep counting and measuring.

Yeah, real science is boring, just like real archeology.

 

[BillJ]

Isn’t that self explanatory? Those “threat ganglions” gotta be hella useful. I can’t imagine a captain who wouldn’t line up to have a Saru on his bridge.

“Uh-oh. the science officers threat ganglions are out! Battle stations everyone! Shields up and pay attention to the long range scanners!”

But what if he just ate some bad Thai food and senses the coming of diarrhea?

 

[seigezunt]

I really liked this episode. A little less of the oppressive anxiety that the third episode had, a couple of good WTF moments, and an increasing sense of Trek-ness. I suspect more and more of those details that people objected to will have "oh, that's why" moments.

And who doesn't love talking about space travel via giant water bear nipple clamps?

 

[Kor]

Making use of Saru's death sense in dealing with threats is just as plausible as using Troi's empathic abilities on the bridge.

Kor

 

[CardassianAssassin]

For the optimism and loftiness that TOS and TNG wishes to project to the viewers, I like to think that Discovery is the series that reveals how the UFP got to that stage, so that the likes of Kirk, Spock & Picard have the privilege to spend their prime years in deep space to appease their curiosities.

There is a price to pay for peace and the freedom wander around uncharted 'lands' , it seems people like Saru and Stamets (and possibly thousands of other officers circa 2250) are paying that price - I hope to see just how much...

Except the crew on Enterprise also had plenty of what you call “optimism and lofty ideals”.

And not only were they a nicer bunch, but also more interesting.

 

[Tesophius]

For the optimism and loftiness that TOS and TNG wishes to project to the viewers, I like to think that Discovery is the series that reveals how the UFP got to that stage, so that the likes of Kirk, Spock & Picard have the privilege to spend their prime years in deep space to appease their curiosities.

There is a price to pay for peace and the freedom wander around uncharted 'lands' , it seems people like Saru and Stamets (and possibly thousands of other officers circa 2250) are paying that price - I hope to see just how much...

We already saw humans in deep space appeasing their curiosities in the 22nd century. This is over 100 years after the events of the Enterprise. The Federation has settled in into their ways a long time ago.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Making use of Saru's death sense in dealing with threats is just as plausible as using Troi's empathic abilities on the bridge.

Kor

I also thought of the original concept of Geordi's visor, which could detect all kinds of dangerous forcefields or energy that could harm a landing part...er, away team. Something that essentially took 3/4 of the adventure or tension out of episodes.

 

[oberth]

Isn’t that self explanatory? Those “threat ganglions” gotta be hella useful. I can’t imagine a captain who wouldn’t line up to have a Saru on his bridge.

“Uh-oh. the science officers threat ganglions are out! Battle stations everyone! Shields up and pay attention to the long range scanners!”

it may be nice to have one of those on the bridge - but more likely in chaines than voluntarely

 

[Prax]

To all the scientists/archaeologists here, I meant no offense, and...I'm sorry

Here's the entire season:

Core arc episodes: 10 The Xindi, The Shipment, Stratagem, Proving Ground, Azati Prime , Damage, The Forgotten, The Council, Countdown. Zero Hour

Xindi related, but not core: 7 Anomaly, Rajiin, Twilight, Carpenter Street, Chosen Realm, Harbinger, Hachery (some of these episodes would have worked without using the Xindi framing at all (just imagine another random race)

Not connected at all: 7 Extinction, Impulse, Exile, North Star, Similitude, Doctor's orders, E2. Any Xindi framing is completely irrelevant to the core plot of the show.

So you're right, I did overstate it. However, it's wrong to claim that the entire season follows a concrete arc. The "defeat the Xindi weapon" arc is mostly just dealt with in ten episodes.

A big aspect, which turns out to be the most important of the "Xindi arc" is the "expanse." Just because an episode doesn't involve Xindi politics, doesn't mean it isn't important to the season long story. Anomaly is crucial to the arc, and sets the tone for the season, as are many of the ones you labeled "not core." Harbinger is a crucial reveal about the expanse, and ties in with later Xindi council episodes.
For the ones you marked irrelevant: Impulse follows up one events mentioned in "The Expanse." And the conflict and resolution in E2 are dependent on the Xindi arc. The Exile, Extinction, and North Star could have been written for another season, but were at least made to tie in some way.

I find people either hate ENT season 2 or season 3, one of the two.

Season 2 and 3 are my favorite. To me, that's when the acting, dialogue, and storytelling really peaked.

 

[CardassianAssassin]

But what if he just ate some bad Thai food and senses the coming of diarrhea?

I think the ganglions are supposed to be semi-psychic.

So in that case the ganglions would be vibrating while perusing the menu at the Thai restaurant.

Needless to say, yet another good reason to have a Saru on board. And at your dinner table.

 

[anh165]

Except the crew on Enterprise also had plenty of what you call “optimism and lofty ideals”.

And not only were they a nicer bunch, but also more interesting.

ST: Enterprise for much of the 4 seasons resorted to plots of the Enterprise fighting every race that Berman can shoehorn in to inject drama into a series that had nothing to say. Voyager, as mediocre as that show was (imo) was about being a long way from home...

With only 4 episodes in, with exception to Cpt Lorca, the characters of Discovery come across somewhat like they are trapped by a war they did not want or feel suited to take part of. With the sense that defeat was around the corner, they are fighting their own selves, with each other, and yet they all have their own ambitions, ideas and struggles in the backdrop of deep space where only their posterity in TOS/TNG were able to explore and impress their ideas on without having to routinely draw blood.

Can you imagine the likes of Spock, Lt Barclay or Wesley Crusher being able to spend years indulging in science and enlightenment with the threat of a Bat'leth up their backside at a moments notice?


But yes you are indeed correct, the Enterprise crew are a nicer bunch ... what was I thinking ? ...