Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

[ria 75]

Finally watched it, will break it up into multiple posts if needed, here I go.
[...]All that before the intro has run, looking good so far.
Will continue in another post.

Thank you so much Gonzo, I was awaiting your 2nd post with bated breath! I couldn't wait to hear every little detail you liked and disliked and your real time description of the episode we've all just watched. OMG, how could we have done without your input so far?

 

[cultcross]

Thank you so much Gonzo, I was awaiting your 2nd post with bated breath! I couldn't wait to hear every little detail you liked and disliked and to read your description of the episode we've all just watched. OMG, how could we have done without your input so far?

We can certainly get along fine without comments like this.

 

[Gonzo]

Thank you so much Gonzo, I was awaiting your 2nd post with bated breath! I couldn't wait to hear every little detail you liked and disliked and to read your description of the episode we've all just watched. OMG, how could we have done without your input so far?

I am not entirely sure if that's sarcasm or not.

If it isn't thats great and I totally deserved it.

If it is that's also great and I totally deserved it.

Its so hard to tell sometimes.

 

[Michael]

Good comparison. It's rarely a good idea to separate the 'villain' narrative, in my opinion. Not only do you create a weird distinction between the two storylines which should be intertwined, you lesson the sense of jeopardy and interrupt the hero's story constantly to update the villain's. It works much better, to continue your example, in Buffy's second season where the villain has an intimate connection to the hero, and interact regularly with each other.

Well, looks like the characters and the storylines might cross paths again next week. At least Lorca and L'rell will. But I agree, having the Klingon storyline so separated feels odd right now. I really hope having all those Klingon scenes pays off at some point.

 

[seigezunt]

Sounds like another fun and exploration themed episode! Discovery really lives up to its name doesn’t it?

and yet ... it did.

 

[eschaton]

Well, looks like the characters and the storylines might cross paths again next week. At least Lorca and L'rell will. But I agree, having the Klingon storyline so separated feels odd right now. I really hope having all those Klingon scenes pays off at some point.

I've put my hypothesis on how Voq's arc will go. I'm still not sure with L'Rell and Kol.

 

[cultcross]

Well, looks like the characters and the storylines might cross paths again next week. At least Lorca and L'rell will. But I agree, having the Klingon storyline so separated feels odd right now. I really hope having all those Klingon scenes pays off at some point.

Me too. They're doesn't seem to be a particular reason yet for the Klingons to interact specifically with Discovery, so I hope we get one soon. I'm personally fine with this being Burnham's story, I don't need another Harry Kim and Chakotay and Hoshi to try to care about, but that means the Klingons have to tie into her too.

 

[Cyrus]

One thing I would like to applaud this show for getting right: how the women are dressed.

In every Trek so far, there have been blatant attempts at sex appeal and how the women are dressed. Especially the hotties.

And this is a good thing? OK, just kidding. But as a heterosexual male I wouldn't mind if they go Game of Thrones way and show hotties naked.

that the telescope was recovered from the wreck of the Shenzhou

The Telescope didn't come from the wreckage. It must have been removed and saved by Georgiou before she went looking for T'kuvma.

Landry will come back, she's a fracking Cylon.

She will come back in the mirror episode.

 

[Mudd]

I think she's as friendly as she can be to Tilly given she's a traumatized war veteran.

So "traumatized" will be the ongoing excuse on this show for being an asshole?

 

[ria 75]

We can certainly get along fine without comments like this.

What I can get along fine without is wasting time reading long-winded posts by someone who thinks everything they are observing is of interest to others as if they were live reporters on breaking news or something.
One needs to at least trim the fat of what is a given to everyone in the thread.
I should perhaps be tolerant of enthusiasm but I don't have time for that much. I guess you could fairly tell me to get out of here then. But how is someone supposed to read 36 pages? It's not like there is a reader's digert of the best and most constructive bits.

I am not entirely sure if that's sarcasm or not.
If it isn't thats great and I totally deserved it.
If it is that's also great and I totally deserved it.
Its so hard to tell sometimes.

LOL You are fair play, I grant you.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ A bit of friendly advice: it's not very smart to push back against the moderators.

 

[Longinus]

What I can get along fine without is wasting time reading long-winded posts by someone who thinks everything they are observing is of interest to others as if they were live reporters on breaking news or something.

Then don't read it? Is your scroll wheel broken?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Every one knows that "heart" is Klingoneese code for butthole.

As some who watches Food Network. Buttholes are used in some cuisines

 

[eschaton]

As some who watches Food Network. Buttholes are used in some cuisines

Never knew the Klingons were part Filipino.

 

[tenmei]

The Telescope didn't come from the wreckage. It must have been removed and saved by Georgiou before she went looking for T'kuvma.

Pretty sure they emptied the entire ship - heck, it even looked like they took the briefing table and her desk.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

That ready room was stripped bare. They left a personnel file pad which conveniently named the two highest ranking officers aboard the ship and was discovered by a Klingon six months ago.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If anyone watched Dunkirk recently, they might have remembered the Spitfire pilot shooting his flare gun into the wreck of his Spitfire, and the plane subsequently burning up, to prevent the Germans from recovering anything.

And that was just a regular fighter plane with nothing special aboard.

Scuttling your ship/plane is standard operating procedure for anyone in the military, and that the writers of Star Trek apparently didn’t know this (or address WHY it wasn’t scuttled) is a huge oversight.

That Barn door has been open for decades. Probably falls under "needs of the plot".

 

[cultcross]

What I can get along fine without is wasting time reading long-winded posts by someone who thinks everything they are observing is of interest to others as if they were live reporters on breaking news or something.

It's almost like it's a discussion board where the members can post their views on what is being discussed. You aren't required to read them all, and scrolling past is definitely easier than writing sarcy replies. If you do that again, infractions will follow.

Further comments by anyone to PM.

 

[Fateor]

It's absolutely a decision, but I dispute that it is one of murderous revenge - at the time she makes it she doesn't yet know that Georgiou isn't savable. She turns the phaser to kill because it is the only way she can possibly save her. From a 'spectrum of use of force' perspective, it's an entirely defensible decision to use deadly force against deadly force.

The most I think she can be fairly accused of is that Georgiou's life meant more to her than completing the mission. Which as others have said, is a very human response and one worth exploring.

You might have had a point if they hadn't spent the past 2 minutes before that scene showing that Stun instantly knocks Klingons out.

 

[cultcross]

You might have had a point if they hadn't spent the past 2 minutes before that scene showing that Stun instantly knocks Klingons out.

You should always trust a stun setting when lives hinge on it working on the first try.