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Spoilers A Theory About Star Trek Discovery.

How are they going to do a Mirror episode where there's a sufficient distinction between this storyline and the good ol' Terran Empire?
That's what I've been wondering because most of the characters are already jerks. Are they just going to be bigger jerks in the mirror universe episodes?

Although I do think they're setting up Tilly to be an evil overlord in the mirror universe episodes.
 
Well in Kirk's time and later it was established that the UFOP and The Klingon Empire never went to war and only had had border skirmishes before their attack upon Organia!

JB
Really, in what episode did they state the Federation and Klingon Empire had never had a war prior to Kirk's Captaincy of the 1701 - In 79 (well now 80) TOS Episodes - 24 TAS episodes and Ten Star Trek Feature Films I don't recall anyone stating there had never been a Federation/Klingon War prior to 2266.

What's next - Are you going to claim its canon that Spock was the first Vulcan in Star Fleet? ;)
^^^
[Hint: Go rewatch TOS, - "The Immunity Syndrome"]
 
If its mirror universe, then why is it called the Federation and not the Terran Empire?
Maybe we're only a few years into when the mirror universe became evil. Maybe we're getting to see the mirror universe at a time before it was cartoonist evil. Maybe something is different about the Klingon war. Maybe the light-skinned Klingon set things on a different course. Now the war will become brutal, leading to the UFP becoming more authoritarian, leading to more corruption, leading barbarism. The problem is the timing isn't right. We are only a decade or so before TOS. The characters in the TOS universe seemed to have grown up in a barbaric world. In DIS the characters say they believe in exploration, avoiding unnecessary war, etc. So I love the idea of a show set in a time when the Prime universe is slowly diverging into an evil mirror, but I don't think DIS is it.
 
Maybe we're only a few years into when the mirror universe became evil. Maybe we're getting to see the mirror universe at a time before it was cartoonist evil. Maybe something is different about the Klingon war. Maybe the light-skinned Klingon set things on a different course. Now the war will become brutal, leading to the UFP becoming more authoritarian, leading to more corruption, leading barbarism. The problem is the timing isn't right. We are only a decade or so before TOS. The characters in the TOS universe seemed to have grown up in a barbaric world. In DIS the characters say they believe in exploration, avoiding unnecessary war, etc. So I love the idea of a show set in a time when the Prime universe is slowly diverging into an evil mirror, but I don't think DIS is it.

Enterprise had a two parter in the Mirror Universe. It was as cartoony as it ever was. Porthos was a Rottweiler.
 
Maybe we're only a few years into when the mirror universe became evil.

The divergence occured in Earth's past. Enterprise showed a very different history that meant the separation was in the 1700-1800's at least. Cochrane gunned down the crew of the Vulcan shuttle and raided it in 2063.

The Terran Empire formed well before 2154, by Discovery it should be in existance for about 150 years.
 
Enterprise had a two parter in the Mirror Universe. It was as cartoony as it ever was. Porthos was a Rottweiler.
The divergence occured in Earth's past. Enterprise showed a very different history that meant the separation was in the 1700-1800's at least.
You guys are right of course. This would have to be a different mirror universe, which would be confusing-- too many universes, like that TNG episode with ships from thousands of universes converged.

I never understood the need for the Kelvin universe. I think they should have made a whole new franchise. The only purpose the Kelvin universe serves is to create new characters and get the name recognition of "Star Trek", "Kirk", "Spock", etc. I would have been much less likely to see a sci-fi movie that the producers said was based on the characters and spirit of Star Trek. But they called it Star Trek, so I saw it the first night.

Even though it doesn't work for these reasons, I really like the notion that Voq is a wildcard that changes history and causes humanity, which had been climbing away form its barbarous past, slowly begins to return to its old ways. I really liked TOS's Mirror, Mirror because Spock fit in so well. I could imagine if Spock had been born into a totalitarian world, he may have protested and become a fugitive or he may have found some low-ranking scientific job not directly affected by the empire. It also seems believable he'd do a good job and rise in the ranks of the evil Star Fleet. He'd act evil when necessary, but when he has a choice he would be a force for good. He would know the system is flawed and will eventually be overthrown in hundreds of years, but he would tell himself "One man cannot summon the future." He's a believer in the "trends and forces" view of history as opposed to the "great man" view. Kirk convinces him to try to be a "great man" and change the course of history. For some reason, it was totally believable to me. It's how I would be living hundreds of years ago, working on the navigation technology that made the British Empire dominant and eventually made slave trade possible. Someone from another universe comes and says your world is unjust. "Okay, I can't solve the world's problems, but I'm supposed to get this chronometer tolerance to be less affected by actual nautical conditions. Maybe one day people won't be slaves, and rebels against the empire will create some kind of utopian republic, which in your idealistic dreams would be based on on John Locke's philosophical writings, but what does that dream have to do with me? I've got a demo coming up at the Royal Observatory Greenwich!"

I agree the timing is wrong for Discovery to go this direction though.
 
Really, in what episode did they state the Federation and Klingon Empire had never had a war prior to Kirk's Captaincy of the 1701 - In 79 (well now 80) TOS Episodes - 24 TAS episodes and Ten Star Trek Feature Films I don't recall anyone stating there had never been a Federation/Klingon War prior to 2266.

What's next - Are you going to claim its canon that Spock was the first Vulcan in Star Fleet? ;)
^^^
[Hint: Go rewatch TOS, - "The Immunity Syndrome"]

Well I'm not going to argue with you and canon is up to each and everyone of us! I don't accept ENT so apart from watching DIS I don't file it away in my collection! If there was such a conflict then why wasn't it ever referenced in the original show? The only thing they ever mentioned was the battle of Donatu five which happened twenty five years before I believe and the raids on their outposts but it was never proved it was The Klingons!
JB

PS.The USS Intrepid was a starship manned entirely by Vulcans and Spock was the first Vulcan as far as we knew back in the sixties in Starfleet! :rommie:
 
Good theory about the DSC taking place in the mirror universe. But the titles don't make sense: like Star Fleet and Federation, etc.

I have a separate theory that The Starship Discovery is a Section-31 ship and that Section-31 has it's own fleet of ships. We all know there's more to the mushrooms than what Lorca has explained. There's something malignant there.

We all know Sec-31 existed even back in ENT. I'm actually reading 'The Good That Men Do,' which is a section-31 plot-based novel and takes place a few months after the Enterprise NX and Romulan clone ship encounter.

For anyone what hasn't read the book, this is a much better ending or continuation to ENT than the season finale. Trip's death is actually faked and goes on a mission for Sec-31
 
Good theory about the DSC taking place in the mirror universe. But the titles don't make sense: like Star Fleet and Federation, etc.
There's infinite parallel universes though. You could have a parallel universe where Star Fleet and The Federation exist but are evil.
 
It only makes sense if we’re in the Mirror Universe, or we’re in a Section 31 USS Vengeance type ship (*CRINGE*) or we’re aboard something akin to Captain Ronald Tracey's USS Exeter.
 
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