phase cannon = phaser. Photonic torpedo = photon torpedo.
It's terminology. They even used the same sounds and effects in ENT as TNG.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x02 - "Battle at the Binary Stars"
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It's terminology. They even used the same sounds and effects in ENT as TNG.
I know that, and in the real world, that all makes sense. I wouldn't have even noticed it if it was in two separate episodes (as long as the second one was not picking up seconds after the first, like these two). But, within literal minutes (both watching time and in-universe) it was a bit jarring to have two separate names used like that.
I don't want to oversell the issue--it was a surprise to me that it happened. It didn't derail my ability to follow the story or cause me to change the channel (in Canada, we have that option
) or anything dramatic. Also, if the people working on the show were not so explicit in their statements about "respecting the canon" and "making great efforts to line everything up", I might not have noticed it.
Why uninstall the phase cannons after they install the phasers?
Why uninstall the Photonic Torpedo tubes to install Photon Torpedo tubes?
Remember when the Romulans ran out of modern weapons and used a nuke they had hanging around in the... Or was that the Orions?
Why uninstall the Photonic Torpedo tubes to install Photon Torpedo tubes?
Remember when the Romulans ran out of modern weapons and used a nuke they had hanging around in the... Or was that the Orions?
After watching and rewatching the two episodes, IMO they don't stand up. I don't know if it's bad writing or bad editing, but hey. In the Star Trek Tradition, we have a bunch of new characters that don't know what to do or where they're going. I'll keep an open mind and watch the next one and see if they can sort it all out.
Really, with the team they have behind it they have to be going somewhere.
Really, with the team they have behind it they have to be going somewhere.
Fanwank City Hall from the looks of it right now.
Fanwank? I can fix that.
It's been almost a week since this episode and I haven't replayed any of it over in my mind like the TNG, DS9 and VOY pilots. Nothing to daydream about, no philosophical questions to consider other than whether it's a good idea to mutiny all by yourself. It was military science fiction. I like military sci fi, but I don't think it can serve as the foundation of a Star Trek series. I hope the Klingon war is just an arc and not the basic premise of the show.
Onwards, though. You have my money, CBS. Tread lightly.
Onwards, though. You have my money, CBS. Tread lightly.
Unifying the Klingon houses is not intriguing? The potential nature-nuture Michael story line is not intriguing? Prey species on board potential? I'll agree Sisko's journey was more compelling in the premiere, but there is a there there for Discovery. Besides, premiere part 2 ... premieres tomorrow.
The components are intriguing, but the premise is not. TNG's pilot set the future in motion to 'see what's out there'. DS9's pilot turned a story about a mundane space station into a meditation on loss and the nature of time itself. VOY...okay, well, VOY was VOY. Discovery is telling a very particular story, which is okay. It just doesn't feel like Star Trek...yet.
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I wouldn't go quite as far as Fanwank City Hall, but certainly there are more than a few winks, nods, and nudges. I love Sarek, as a general rule, but fitting him here as Michael's guardian just felt shoehorned in. I mean, she could have been the ward of any Vulcan, really, and we could have had Sarek show up later, but it's something I can live with, because in all honesty, I just don't care nearly as much about canon as I used to.
The Romulans in "Balance of Terror." Their cloaked BoP was carrying several old-style nuclear warheads to serve as a self-destruct device should the vessel be damaged beyond repair or risk falling into the hands of an enemy. Apparently the Romulans were a lot more comfortable around nuclear weapons than humans and didn't mind lugging some of them around inside their ships, but then as far as know the Romulans never used them on themselves in a devastating world war.
I have to ask, what philosophical questions were there to consider RE: "Encounter At Farpoint? Seriously? Were you contemplating whether the Space Jellyfish were traumatized? or if Trilane..er Q's mommy and daddy forbade him from putting other species on Trial?
Romulans are what Vulcans were before the Time of awakening (300-something ad.). The Romulans were dominant. Surak made a funky new cult of logic, they nuked each other, the Romulans left, and the Vulcans somehow survived on a radioactive cursed wasteland. Personally, I (alone) think the Romulans left Vulcan because they won the war, and still had the resources to leave. If they lost, how would they have taken a billion people to the other side of the quadrant at subwarp speed? Unless, shades of Space 1999, the Romulans were locked up inside a lunal penal colony that was nuked, and set adrift?
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Time_of_Awakening
The Vulcan Hello/Battle at the Binary Stars two part premiere review
Clearly, the two episodes are actually a single story, rather than two linked stories, much like Encounter at Farpoint, Emissary, Caretaker and Broken Bow were single stories. Stopping at the E-D's arrival at Farpoint, the discovery of the wormhole, Harry and B'Elanna discovering the Ocampa City or the NX-01's arrival at Rigel wouldn't have been a good idea either. (But the onus is on CBS for that). But I digress. The premiere (or prologue) taken as a whole is a very good introduction to the situation in the Federation at this time.
The relationship between Burnham and Georgeou is established to be strong, in that the captain had thought highly enough of her Number One that she was going to recommend that she have her own ship. But it turns out that Phillipa didn't know Michael as well as she thought she did. It is further established that Burnham had unresolved issues in her past (as did Georgeou) that hadn't been triggered in the past seven years. Not until She had run into T'Kumva's beacon ship. That is what leads to the mutiny.
However, Phillipa is able to forgive Michael by the time they go over to try to capture T'Kumva, not that does any good in the long run. However, the Vulcan education has given her highly honed cognitive abilities (as the ethics discussion with the Shenzhou computer in the brig shows), it will be interesting going forward to see how she helps to solve problems that the Discovery would run into. However, Sarek's motivations, his intentions, in raising a full human child in a Vulcan environment hasn't yet been elucidated. Hopefully, more of that will be revealed as the series goes forward.
With the Klingons, T'Kumva particularly, there was some backstory, that he was bullied because of his father's disgrace (Discommendation?) and discovered the ship along with Voq and then used it in order to not be disgraced and to reunite the Klingons against the Federation; that's an interesting story. Probably too bad he was killed off. It will be interesting to see the repercussions from that. 8.5/10.
Clearly, the two episodes are actually a single story, rather than two linked stories, much like Encounter at Farpoint, Emissary, Caretaker and Broken Bow were single stories. Stopping at the E-D's arrival at Farpoint, the discovery of the wormhole, Harry and B'Elanna discovering the Ocampa City or the NX-01's arrival at Rigel wouldn't have been a good idea either. (But the onus is on CBS for that). But I digress. The premiere (or prologue) taken as a whole is a very good introduction to the situation in the Federation at this time.
The relationship between Burnham and Georgeou is established to be strong, in that the captain had thought highly enough of her Number One that she was going to recommend that she have her own ship. But it turns out that Phillipa didn't know Michael as well as she thought she did. It is further established that Burnham had unresolved issues in her past (as did Georgeou) that hadn't been triggered in the past seven years. Not until She had run into T'Kumva's beacon ship. That is what leads to the mutiny.
However, Phillipa is able to forgive Michael by the time they go over to try to capture T'Kumva, not that does any good in the long run. However, the Vulcan education has given her highly honed cognitive abilities (as the ethics discussion with the Shenzhou computer in the brig shows), it will be interesting going forward to see how she helps to solve problems that the Discovery would run into. However, Sarek's motivations, his intentions, in raising a full human child in a Vulcan environment hasn't yet been elucidated. Hopefully, more of that will be revealed as the series goes forward.
With the Klingons, T'Kumva particularly, there was some backstory, that he was bullied because of his father's disgrace (Discommendation?) and discovered the ship along with Voq and then used it in order to not be disgraced and to reunite the Klingons against the Federation; that's an interesting story. Probably too bad he was killed off. It will be interesting to see the repercussions from that. 8.5/10.
I know this is off-topic but I was watching an episode of voyager last night; I think it was the episode titled 'The Swarm.' When the cluster of alien ships attempt to board and capture VOY
A bunch of 'no-names' were killed on Voyager and in other scenes, which has been so typical of every Star Trek series. Kill off the 'no-names!' It happened so much TNG, the random bridge officer being killed off. However! this didn't happen in the pilot episodes of DSC. T'Kuvma and Captain Georgiou were killed off - Two very important characters. I'm sure they'll be back in flashbacks but still killed.
With this happening, and potentially the start of a war, I thought it was a refreshing start to a new Star Trek series. It kind of reminding me a bit of GoT and how important characters are usually killed off.
Tonight's third episode looks like a completely different plot from what we saw in the pilot episodes. I hope to finally meet Harry Mudd!
Cheers!
A bunch of 'no-names' were killed on Voyager and in other scenes, which has been so typical of every Star Trek series. Kill off the 'no-names!' It happened so much TNG, the random bridge officer being killed off. However! this didn't happen in the pilot episodes of DSC. T'Kuvma and Captain Georgiou were killed off - Two very important characters. I'm sure they'll be back in flashbacks but still killed.
With this happening, and potentially the start of a war, I thought it was a refreshing start to a new Star Trek series. It kind of reminding me a bit of GoT and how important characters are usually killed off.
Tonight's third episode looks like a completely different plot from what we saw in the pilot episodes. I hope to finally meet Harry Mudd!
Cheers!
We don't (yet) know how many weeks/months Michael spent in a cell before her trial.
Ensign Connor would probably disagree. And the people who were in the damaged decks.
how come we didn't meet the doctor?
I noticed a medic in white at one point.
WTF
The difference between operations and command is Bronze and Gold?
Are they worried about snipers?
I noticed a medic in white at one point.
WTF
The difference between operations and command is Bronze and Gold?
Are they worried about snipers?
What made you think the guy in white wasn't the doctor?
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