Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"
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I know what you mean. Sometimes, a movie is so bad that you block it out. People keep telling me that M. Night Shyamalan did a move based on Avatar: The Last Airbender, but I don't remember it at all. (Although, sometimes I have nightmares about Mark Wahlburg's movie daughter from Transformser: Age of Extinction giving endless voice-over exposition.)
I can think of two examples where that's not true off the top of my head: Mintaka and Wolf 359.
I think he's referring to views that some people consider "right-wing". For example, back in the day, some people complained about Tuvok being black, saying that Star Trek: Voyager was just doing that to be politically correct. Such anti-PC positions are often associated with the "right-wing", whether that's fair or not.
I watched the first episode on live broadcast feed at a friend's house because my wifi was wonky that night, and then he immediately switch on CBSAA.
Btw, we noticed an immediate increase in picture quality viewing the second episode.
This was something I always found puzzling (there was a similar scrum over the black Romulan that appeared in that one TMP episode). If Vulcan's sun was so absurdly bright, causing the evolution of a second eyelid to protect their eyes, all Vulcans (and Romulan) should theoretically be black, also evolving high levels of melatonin to protect the skin from the harmful rays.
All of it is actually Canon. I treat it all as separate continuities.
Again: Very valid personal choice. And I can absolutely see your reasoning behind it.
But officially, it's still all the very same continuity with the same canon.
All of it is actually Canon. I treat it all as separate continuities.
That's a refreshingly consistent head canon in comparison to some other claims I've seen in this fandom. But you do realize it also means you're not actually even having the same conversation that everyone else is having, right? If you treat them all as *separate* continuities, then you have no prime universe in the sense that everyone else is referring to it. The term 'prime universe' is universal Star trek code for 'the universe/continuity which contains TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT' (And now also DSC). You may refer to one or the other five separate continuities we've seen before as 'Prime', but that still is a completely different conception that what anyone here is talking about.
I suspect that TV as we know it in that sense won't be around for much longer.
"TV is youtube for old people" is a 10 year old quote from a comic book.
Comic books are comic book movies for old people.
All of it is actually Canon. I treat it all as separate continuities.
Why?
Because that is the way I prefer it.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
To each their own. Or IDIC.
This is not a matter of "to each their own"; it's a matter of being seen as reasonable versus being seen as ridiculous.
According to your viewpoint, every single crossover appearance (or reference) that we've seen across the width and breadth of the Star Trek franchise means absolutely nothing. It's silly in the extreme.
Why the fuck do you care how I enjoy what I watch? It has no bearing on you whatsoever.
Well, it's a Runaways Quote, which is being turned into TV as we speak, so you're not off by much.
Honestly, the "Vulcan Hello" itself was a major point of the episode in that I don't see it as Burnham doing what she did because she didn't like her Captain's decision; again the situation was similar t Spock's in that she honestly and deeply felt (another thing she's coming to grips with in rediscovering her Humanity and emotion) that if they didn't do what the Vulcans did when encountering Klingons (fire first) - EVERYONE on the ship would die, and the ship would be destroyed.
^^^
In her mind the Mutiny she was undertaking was the ONLY way to get everyone (her Captain and her Crew and ship - which she felt was her family) out of this situation alive. Could she have been right? (IE Had she successfully fired first would the situation that ended up happening where her mother figure and Captain and many of the crew ere killed not have occurred?)
We'll never know (and I suspect not); but again, she didn't simply decide to Mutiny because she disagreed with the Captain, she did it because she felt it was the ONLY WAY to save her 'family'. <--- For me that is VERY 'Star Trek'.
Also, given her testimony to the Board of Inquiry at the end of the second episode - yes, she began to fully realize that that action was very wrong and started to understand what it cost her and it's something I'm sure we'll see her character realize more as the series progresses. <--- And that's yet another thing that's very "Star Trek': A story about the Human condition.
So yeah, I can honestly see why you don't think this is 'Star Trek' so far, but I want to explain why I do.
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Honestly, the :Vulcan Hello" itself was a major point of the episode in that I don't see it as Burnham doing what she did because she didn't like her Captain's decision; again the situation was similar t Spock's in that she honestly and deeply felt (another thing she's coming to grips with in rediscovering her Humanity and emotion) that if they didn't do what the Vulcans did when encountering Klingons (fire first) - EVERYONE on the ship would die, and the ship would be destroyed.
^^^
In her mind the Mutiny she was undertaking was the ONLY way to get everyone (her Captain and her Crew and ship - which she felt was her family) out of this situation alive. Could she have been right? (IE Had she successfully fired first would the situation that ended up happening where her mother figure and Captain and many of the crew ere killed not have occurred?)
We'll never know (and I suspect not); but again, she didn't simply decide to Mutiny because she disagreed with the Captain, she did it because she felt it was the ONLY WAY to save her 'family'. <--- For me that is VERY 'Star Trek'.
Also, given her testimony to the Board of Inquiry at the end of the second episode - yes, she began to fully realize that that action was very wrong and started to understand what it cost her and it's something I'm sure we'll see her character realize more as the series progresses. <--- And that's yet another thing that's very "Star Trek': A story about the Human condition.
So yeah, I can honestly see why you don't think this is 'Star Trek' so far, but I want to explain why I do.
What a great take. So her actions were emotionally-fuelled and based on adherence to logic. Fascinating.
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