What's your "controversial" Star Trek opinion?

[Agony_Boothb]

I don't know if it is controversial but I sided with the Marquis. The Federation left it's citizens high and dry by signing a treaty with Cardassia and ceding to them worlds settled by Federation citizens.

i think the biggest issue is Cardassia didn't seem like that big of a threat to the Federation and the Federation just seemed like wimps for signing the peace treaty and ceding worlds. Maybe if the Cardassians seemed like a bigger military threat the compromise would make more sense.

The Federation should have not handed those worlds over to Cardassia and stopped doing so much to appease the cardassiansin order to keep the peace.

I agree with you on this, the treatment of the colonists along the cardassian border was abysmal. The expectation that the colonists would give up their homes and upend their lives for the greater good showed how out of touch the Federation was with it's own people.

 

[Disco]

My 'controversial' Star Trek opinion is that I don't rate TWOK highly because I feel Khan is a cartoon bad guy who got lucky when Kirk didn't raise the shields when the captured Reliant approached. I much prefer STID and Cumberbatch's Khan.

 

[Disco]

Also I feel Captain Jellico was a poor leader who made unnecessary changes aboard the Enterprise in a disruptive way during Chain of Command.

 

[USS Firefly]

Also I feel Captain Jellico was a poor leader who made unnecessary changes aboard the Enterprise in a disruptive way during Chain of Command.

I disagree with you, Jellico was preparing the Enterprise for a potentional war, and he was the best captain for the job, otherwise they would have sent another captain or let Riker command the ship.

 

[Mysterion]

I may have to reassess who my favorite captain is...

Here's another clip to reinforce Sisko's inherent grasp of command, IMO:

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[The Wormhole]

Given the opportunity of siding with the Borg or the Undine/species 8472, she should've opted for the latter.

I don't know, I'd sure have a hard time being convinced to open diplomatic relations with a race that wants to purge the galaxy, but maybe that's just me?

 

[1001001]

Heck, they all want to purge the galaxy!

 

[tharpdevenport]

"Negotiations are irrelevant. You will be assimilated."

"Fuck, well, we tried."

"Fuck is irrelevant. Trying is irrelevant."

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I don't know, I'd sure have a hard time being convinced to open diplomatic relations with a race that wants to purge the galaxy, but maybe that's just me?

Given the knowledge we have now, we know Janeway could have possibly convinced Species 8472 that they were not the same as the Borg and talked them down from genocide to only killing the Borg. But it didn't seem that way at the time.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I agree with you on this, the treatment of the colonists along the cardassian border was abysmal. The expectation that the colonists would give up their homes and upend their lives for the greater good showed how out of touch the Federation was with it's own people.

In the Federation, where there is a near-infinite amount of living space, the question of "defending one's home" loses a lot of its relevance.

Your home is wherever you lay your hat, as it were. In the present day, where you have to put forth a lot of money and effort to make a home, then yeah, it's worth defending. But in the 24th century, you can literally live wherever you want. So what's there to defend?

 

[Disco]

I disagree with you, Jellico was preparing the Enterprise for a potentional war, and he was the best captain for the job, otherwise they would have sent another captain or let Riker command the ship.

Yeah from previous conversations on here I appear to be in the minority. I just don't think there was a need for the preparation and if there was he did things the wrong way.

 

[USS Firefly]

Yeah from previous conversations on here I appear to be in the minority. I just don't think there was a need for the preparation and if there was he did things the wrong way.

He did It because he had experience with the Cardasians, but didn't have it with officers who don't obey orders
Well we can agree to disagree... unless I say otherwise

 

[The Wormhole]

Given the knowledge we have now, we know Janeway could have possibly convinced Species 8472 that they were not the same as the Borg and talked them down from genocide to only killing the Borg. But it didn't seem that way at the time.

That's just it, at the time, there was a telepathic member of the crew seeing visions of the ship and crew's destruction and death, and she was receiving messages from a species who were seen first hand to be able to destroy Borg ships in one shot vowing to purge the galaxy. No sane person would consider opening diplomatic talks with them. The fact we later learn the Borg started it and Species 8472 are really relatively harmless people who are just seriously into cosplay doesn't change the decision Janeway made when none of these other facts were available to her.

 

[Xhiandra]

I don't know, I'd sure have a hard time being convinced to open diplomatic relations with a race that wants to purge the galaxy, but maybe that's just me?

But did they? All she had to go on was Kes' vague vision.
I would think negotiating with someone you never actually interacted with would be worth a shot over trying to negotiate with the borg.

 

[The Wormhole]

But did they? All she had to go on was Kes' vague vision.

Nothing vague about it, Kes saw visions of the ship being destroyed, and the crew dying, including a premonition of Harry being attacked and infected on the away team. Plus, an 8472 itself actually got in contact with Kes and said the galaxy would be purged, so yeah. No so vague at all.

 

[BillJ]

Well, here's another Starfleet commanding officer handling a similar situation:

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I think the difference is that the handling of Duras did not take place on a Federation installation. And Worf clearly states he is there to avenge his mate as Klingon customs mandate.

 

[uniderth]

My controversial opinions:
- Zephram Cochrane invented warp drive. Other species in the local part of the galaxy did not have FTL travel (though some have had had it in the distant past, it became a lost technology).
- The nacelle domes on the constitution class were NOT bussards.

 

[Xhiandra]

Nothing vague about it, Kes saw visions of the ship being destroyed, and the crew dying, including a premonition of Harry being attacked and infected on the away team. Plus, an 8472 itself actually got in contact with Kes and said the galaxy would be purged, so yeah. No so vague at all.

Visions always lack context. The point is that they should've tried dialogue with them.
Even a simple "we're not Borg". Those guys aren't us!

 

[The Wormhole]

Visions always lack context.

Maybe, but by the time they actually made contact with Species 8472, a number of things Kes saw had already come true exactly as she described them. There was reason to put stock in her visions.

 

[Tallguy]

In the Federation, where there is a near-infinite amount of living space, the question of "defending one's home" loses a lot of its relevance.

Your home is wherever you lay your hat, as it were. In the present day, where you have to put forth a lot of money and effort to make a home, then yeah, it's worth defending. But in the 24th century, you can literally live wherever you want. So what's there to defend?

Tell that to the Picards. The family has lived in the same place for, what? Hundreds of years?

My controversial opinions:
- Zephram Cochrane invented warp drive. Other species in the local part of the galaxy did not have FTL travel (though some have had had it in the distant past, it became a lost technology).
- The nacelle domes on the constitution class were NOT bussards.

How is that controversial?