Spoilers Main Title Sequence

[JasonJ]

I thoroughly enjoyed the opening theme music AND the animation of the opening sequence. I thought the music in the first episode itself was very reminiscent of TWOK.

I challenge anyone here who did not like it and thought it was mediocre garbage to do better, post to YouTube for us to watch and assess. And then, when people rip your hard work apart, you can try to defend it.

I know I could not do better... so I appreciate it for what it is, new and exciting Trek done in a contemporary style.

 

[zar]

I challenge anyone here who did not like it and thought it was mediocre garbage to do better, post to YouTube for us to watch and assess. And then, when people rip your hard work apart, you can try to defend it.

I know I could not do better... so I appreciate it for what it is, new and exciting Trek done in a contemporary style.

I like the opening, but this is really a bad argument. People can criticize work without having the skills to do better. If you go to the dentist for a filling and come back with 5 broken teeth, you're not going to shrug it off because you couldn't perform the procedure yourself.

 

[JasonJ]

I like the opening, but this is really a bad argument. People can criticize work without having the skills to do better. If you go to the dentist for a filling and come back with 5 broken teeth, you're not going to shrug it off because you couldn't perform the procedure yourself.

No, but if there were extenuating circumstances that lead to it, I'd be more understanding. Dentistry is also more of a definite action that should result in a singular outcome. We can't apply my premise of "Those who can't do better should not judge so harshly those who can" to all scenarios. I admit, it's not a universal argument.

Also consider that those of us without the skills to do better may not really be qualified to declare the opening sequence to be "garbage" because we don't know what effort went into it, what discussions were had behind the scenes, or if this is the improved version of what was previously tried and dismissed.

It's art, not an exact science like dentistry; so to state that Rembrandt or even more appropriately, Van Gogh's works are childish pieces of crap, it's purely subjective and cannot be substantiated in any way. None of us can prove that the new opening sequence is excellent nor can we prove that it is a half-hearted attempt resulting in mediocre slop. It is what it is and we either like it or we don't.

 

[galad2003]

I like the opening, but this is really a bad argument. People can criticize work without having the skills to do better. If you go to the dentist for a filling and come back with 5 broken teeth, you're not going to shrug it off because you couldn't perform the procedure yourself.

This. Just because I can't make a movie doesn't mean I can't criticize a movie. Nor does it mean I can't recognize a bad movie. A lot of people dog on Enterprise opening, does that mean if they can't make a better opening than Enterprise they can't dislike it? (FWIW I like all the previous openings including Enterprise)

Sorry I am not going to blindly like anything and everything Trek because I am a Trek fan. I am going to be honest about I do and don't like about Trek. I did my best to keep an open mind about Discovery but very little about this show is appealing to me. Since we are talking about the opening sequence in this thread I will focus on that and say the animation does nothing for me. Creatively it does very little for me and I feel it does a poor job of capturing what Star Trek is. yea I even I hate saying that - but nonetheless I find it true. I also don't think it is as good as other TV shows openings. It feels like it is trying to be like Game of Thrones but failing miserably at it.

I do like the music however and I will give props to who made the score.

 

[JasonJ]

This. Just because I can't make a movie doesn't mean I can't criticize a movie. Nor does it mean I can't recognize a bad movie. A lot of people dog on Enterprise opening, does that mean if they can't make a better opening than Enterprise they can't dislike it? (FWIW I like all the previous openings including Enterprise)

Sorry I am not going to blindly like anything and everything Trek because I am a Trek fan. I am going to be honest about I do and don't like about Trek. I did my best to keep an open mind about Discovery but very little about this show is appealing to me. Since we are talking about the opening sequence in this thread I will focus on that and say the animation does nothing for me. Creatively it does very little for me and I feel it does a poor job of capturing what Star Trek is. yea I even I hate saying that - but nonetheless I find it true. I also don't think it is as good as other TV shows openings. It feels like it is trying to be like Game of Thrones but failing miserably at it.

I do like the music however and I will give props to who made the score.

Jeff Russo.

I never said we can't dislike it, or that we should blindly follow it; but I will say we should not be too quick to lambaste it as pure trash either. Personally, I don't mind it, but I don't find that it does anything to enhance the show at all either. I find it just OK, carried mostly by dramatic and effective theme music. Although not everyone likes that either.

I was half being facetious about it anyhow.. I don't actually expect anyone to present a fan-made version. I mean, if they want to, awesome.. I'll check it out, but seriously, Discovery has made this entire forum so polarized lately... everyone takes things so personally and freaks out on each other. Every disagreement need not be a full blown argument.

 

[zar]

No, but if there were extenuating circumstances that lead to it, I'd be more understanding. Dentistry is also more of a definite action that should result in a singular outcome. We can't apply my premise of "Those who can't do better should not judge so harshly those who can" to all scenarios. I admit, it's not a universal argument.

Also consider that those of us without the skills to do better may not really be qualified to declare the opening sequence to be "garbage" because we don't know what effort went into it, what discussions were had behind the scenes, or if this is the improved version of what was previously tried and dismissed.

It's art, not an exact science like dentistry; so to state that Rembrandt or even more appropriately, Van Gogh's works are childish pieces of crap, it's purely subjective and cannot be substantiated in any way. None of us can prove that the new opening sequence is excellent nor can we prove that it is a half-hearted attempt resulting in mediocre slop. It is what it is and we either like it or we don't.

Yes art is subjective and we all judge differently, but I don't see how that makes the argument work any better. You're saying "we don't know what effort went into it, what was previously tried and failed" etc. but that would be true of the dentist as well. It doesn't change our ability to judge the results.

Instead of challenging haters to create their own version, you might ask them to show you examples of better work from other professional artists.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I thoroughly enjoyed the opening theme music AND the animation of the opening sequence. I thought the music in the first episode itself was very reminiscent of TWOK.

I challenge anyone here who did not like it and thought it was mediocre garbage to do better, post to YouTube for us to watch and assess. And then, when people rip your hard work apart, you can try to defend it.

I know I could not do better... so I appreciate it for what it is, new and exciting Trek done in a contemporary style.

Here, Here. I've seen quite a few fan made opening titles on youtube and they're all horrendous.

I really like the theme. it's subtly bombastic and has more than enough nods to previous themes. The Main titles actually remind me of like the pages of a science text book from the 50's or 60's. Not sure if that makes sense, but that is the vibe i get from it.

 

[JasonJ]

Yes art is subjective and we all judge differently, but I don't see how that makes the argument work any better. You're saying "we don't know what effort went into it, what was previously tried and failed" etc. but that would be true of the dentist as well. It doesn't change our ability to judge the results.

Instead of challenging haters to create their own version, you might ask them to show you examples of better work from other professional artists.

You're right, that's a good point in asking for better examples. I think that contributes to the discussion about the quality of the main sequence much better. I stand corrected.

Here, Here. I've seen quite a few fan made opening titles on youtube and they're all horrendous.

I really like the theme. it's subtly bombastic and has more than enough nods to previous themes. The Main titles actually remind me of like the pages of a science text book from the 50's or 60's. Not sure if that makes sense, but that is the vibe i get from it.

I agree, the YT fan made versions are atrocious. I was watching some of the 4k re-renderings of DS9, Voy, etc... high res yes, but the CGI is not as good in most of those examples.

I too get the 1930s-50s sci-fi feel from the sequence as well. It felt like a blueprint to build sci-fi... I'd love to hear what the inspiration was for this animation.

 

[Spike730]

I like the animation's style even though I consider the Discovery one of the ugliest Starfleet ships. The theme starts and ends with familiar tunes but is otherwise bland and unremarkable. I'm as unmusical as they come, but I can still hum every other Trek theme song.

 

[Kor]

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I challenge anyone here who did not like it and thought it was mediocre garbage to do better, post to YouTube for us to watch and assess. And then, when people rip your hard work apart, you can try to defend it.
...

This is what I always wish I could tell professional movie critics.

Kor

 

[trek.]

I found the music sounds like the Fringe theme...

 

[USS Triumphant]

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Was that the Rod Stewart version?

 

[rafterman1701]

It's a typically "prestige" TV or streaming show title design. Soft music, names but no characters, lots of things moving and dripping and spinning, all the creative credits here rather than on screen. And each episode this will look different. Notice how small the cast is. This show isn't following the network structure at all. It's interesting design, hard to remember music, and not enough space or exploration in this. It's trying really hard to be "serious" TV. I like it and I don't like it. Much like the rest of the show. They are trying soooo hard to be different and interesting just by throwing money into the production values.

 

[Cyrus]

Love the opening credit sequence and the music. I especially like it when it plays the TOS theme when "based on Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry" appears.

 

[PicardSpeedo]

Well, that is one hell of a confused and stupid-looking opening sequence.

 

[cooleddie74]

Was that the Rod Stewart version?

No, that's the Russell Watson version used in Seasons 1 and 2.

 

[Vger23]

I loved it. The music is evocative of other Trek pieces, but modern and less obtrusive. The animation is way more modern and not derivative of what's come before. It reminded me a little of Westworld and The Leftovers.

I find The Orville to be charming, light fun...but the opening music and visuals remind me of everything I hated about the Berman-era Trek openings.

 

[cooleddie74]

It reminded me of the new Westworld almost immediately. To me it was a blatant nod to the openings for other new and recent series that are in the public mindset but I still liked it.

 

[Ensign]

I really enjoyed the episodes but I didnt enjoy the title sequence. For me, the exciting thing about Star Trek is the aliens, space, exploring etc. I am not interested in what the phaser looks like on the inside.

 

[mdtauk]

Um... every other Star Trek intro has been flashes of models and visual effects and no characters.

You'd take Enterprise over this? You mean the one with maps, blueprints, space suits... wait, this sounds familiar...

Actually, Discovery is the only one so far that does incorporate specific elements of story (crystals, war) and character (Vulcan salute, Burnham's actual face)...

Sorry, why do you find this terrible again?

Enterprise's opening told a story. The history of exploring. From the first ship Enterprise, to the first starship Enterprise. It may not be as polished visually as this one is (and I acknowledge its an artistic and well-produced sequence, even if unfitting for Trek IMO) but had substance, history, and an aspiration for our future. That is the optimism and grounding Trek has compared to other sci-fi shows.

I hope that the themes of construction, for the Discovery which ground the whole sequence, have some place in the series, but to me, it feels like "prop porn" from a group of fans showing off their designs - and doesn't contain a message or substance that has been present in past Trek title sequences.