Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

[Krandor]

Well I'm not paying to watch it because my kodi will let me see it for free. Not going to pay extra money per month just to see a star trek that doesn't want to follow canon. Ill watch it for free and tear it apart here on trektoday.

Why would you want to watch something you have already decided you hate?

 

[BillJ]

Why would you want to watch something you have already decided you hate?

I haven't decided to "hate" Discovery. I have two of the badges and have already signed-up for All-Access. I see plent of shortcomings, going by the trailers. But trailers don't always tell the whole story.

 

[Campe]

Why would you want to watch something you have already decided you hate?

For some odd reason, people find a lot of joy in hate watching. I don't understand it either.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

No.

"Quality" in popular culture is entirely subjective. So many folks lionize Frank Miller, for example - not only as a writer but as an artist. Fuck, Liefeld has fans.

Trek needed the quantity to get the quality everyone thinks is there. There are a ton of piss poor episodes of Star Trek across the entire franchise. About a third of it is actually watchable.

BS. When creators/studios/producers create/make/produce utter shit they run their own franchise/brand name to the ground themselves. Unless you actually believe that JAWS: THE REVENGE was good for the Jaws franchise.

 

[BillJ]

BS. When creators/studios/producers create/make/produce utter shit they run their own franchise/brand name to the ground themselves.

It really isn't BS. Fry from Futurama hit it on the head when talking about TOS, but it easily extends to the rest of the franchise. There are far more episodes like "Imaginary Friend" then there are of "Q, Who".

 

[Cake]

And what a huge win it was for those whiners. Now they have no Ghostbusters and no Stargate.

In my opinion there was no new Stargate while SGU was airing either.

By the way MGM will launch a new digital platform soon. They are producing a short series called Stargate Origins for it.

https://stargatecommand.co/

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

In my opinion there was no new Stargate while SGU was airing either.

Exactly this. Just like Galactica 1980 was no Battlestar Galactica back in the days. Having nothing new is preferable to having utter shit.

 

[BillJ]

Having nothing new is preferable to having utter shit.

But who gets to decide what is utter shit?

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

But who gets to decide what is utter shit?

I'm not sure I follow your question. Are you really asking who decided that Jaws: The Revenge, or Batman & Robin, or Superman IV: The Quest for Peace or RoboCop 3 (or a number of other franchise-killers) are bad movies? Or in the case of SGU and Galactica 1980 bad TV shows?

 

[BillJ]

I'm not sure I follow your question. Are you really asking who decided that Jaws: The Revenge, or Batman & Robin, or Superman IV: The Quest for Peace or RoboCop 3 (or a number of other franchise-killers) are bad movies? Or in the case of SGU and Galactica 1980 bad TV shows?

Pretty much everything has their fans. Who am I to decide that those fans shouldn't have something they enjoy?

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Pretty much everything has their fans. Who am I to decide that those fans shouldn't have something they enjoy?

You didn't/don't. And neither did/do I. Their respected producers did.

 

[Noname Given]

I haven't decided to "hate" Discovery. I have two of the badges and have already signed-up for All-Access. I see plent of shortcomings, going by the trailers. But trailers don't always tell the whole story.

Very true. I was not at all impressed by any of "The Orville" trailers, but on seeing the pilot episode fromnt to back in context, it was okay, and enough to get me watching the next episode.

If I compare it to how (as a TOS fan) I felt back in 1987 when TNG premiered; I was so UNDERWHELMED by "Encounter At Farpoint" the ONLY reason I tuned in for "Code of Honor" WAS because this was the first new Star Trek on TV since TAS in 1973 -1975 and I was going to give it a chance to improve. Honestly though, IO can't rcall why I still kept watching after "The Naked Now" - but I did (I guess the desire to keep Star Trek in some form on TV was strong, and it HAD to get better...right? -- Didn't think it would take nearly 3 1/2 seasons to 'find itself' and actually become watchable for me.) YMMV of course.

 

[Nyotarules]

Wow, that was a really assholish thing to say. He was one of the only things I was hopeful about in the show, too. Well, screw him. I have absolutely no respect left for him, and I always thought he was a very solid actor before this and I enjoyed him in most things I saw him. I guess the show is down to the (exterior) Starfleet ship designs and possibly the lead when it comes to things I don't hate about Discovery.

You must have shit your pants when TMP came along and then TWOK

 

[Nyotarules]

Well I'm not paying to watch it because my kodi will let me see it for free. Not going to pay extra money per month just to see a star trek that doesn't want to follow canon. Ill watch it for free and tear it apart here on trektoday.

Did these words really come from your head?

 

[cooleddie74]

It wouldn't have mattered if every episode of TOS was as good as "City on the Edge...," "Space Seed" or "The Doomsday Machine" if the series had been cancelled after just one season. 26-30 episodes of a show just wasn't anywhere close to being enough to guarantee a syndicated rerun package in the late 1960s or early '70s and without the seventy-nine completed episodes aired before the series was killed off Star Trek may have died a very early death before man even landed on the Moon.

Quantity matters just as much if not moreso. Quality doesn't hurt at all, but the bottom line isn't about how well your show or movie is written. It's about how much product you can market to generate maximum revenue for the studio or network. It may seem cold and dismissive of artistry and creativity, but that's just how the business works, how it worked half a century ago and how it will continue to work for as long as we have a profit-driven shareholder society that embraces capitalism.

 

[Noname Given]

It wouldn't have mattered if every episode of TOS was as good as "City on the Edge...," "Space Seed" or "The Doomsday Machine" if the series had been cancelled after just one season. 26-30 episodes of a show just wasn't anywhere close to being enough to guarantee a syndicated rerun package in the late 1960s or early '70s and without the seventy-nine completed episodes aired before the series was killed off Star Trek may have died a very early death before man even landed on the Moon.

Quantity matters just as much if not moreso. Quality doesn't hurt at all, but the bottom line isn't about how well your show or movie is written. It's about how much product you can market to generate maximum revenue for the studio or network. It may seem cold and dismissive of artistry and creativity, but that's just how the business works, how it worked half a century ago and how it will continue to work for as long as we have a profit-driven shareholder society that embraces capitalism.

Yeah, but what probably would have happened then is they would have cut two episodes together as a 'TV movie of the Week' - like was done with Irwin Allen's "The Time Tunnel" series (a one season wonder) - and then years later, perhaps one of the pay cable channels would have run the original episodes 100% uncut (like again happened with "Time Tunnel"; then maybe someone (maybe FOX) would have tried a 'Star trek' TV reboot (again, like they did with "The Time Tunnel"); but maybe the reboot would have fared better - and we'd have a full run of reboot 23rd Trek era adventures in the early 2000's...

[Yeah, probably not ]

 

[Delta1]

For some odd reason, people find a lot of joy in hate watching. I don't understand it either.

It's fun, especially if you do it as part of a community. Look at the Voyager and Enterprise reviews in rec.arts.startrek.reviews for some examples of people clearly hating the series but having fun writing about them. The Cynic still has his Cynic's Corner website online, all these years later.

 

[cultcross]

It wouldn't have mattered if every episode of TOS was as good as "City on the Edge...," "Space Seed" or "The Doomsday Machine" if the series had been cancelled after just one season. 26-30 episodes of a show just wasn't anywhere close to being enough to guarantee a syndicated rerun package in the late 1960s or early '70s and without the seventy-nine completed episodes aired before the series was killed off Star Trek may have died a very early death before man even landed on the Moon.

Quantity matters just as much if not moreso. Quality doesn't hurt at all, but the bottom line isn't about how well your show or movie is written. It's about how much product you can market to generate maximum revenue for the studio or network. It may seem cold and dismissive of artistry and creativity, but that's just how the business works, how it worked half a century ago and how it will continue to work for as long as we have a profit-driven shareholder society that embraces capitalism.

It is a rare property indeed that achieves longevity or lasting impact on a single season. Firefly is the big exception to the rule, but without the built in audience who followed Joss Whedon there from Buffy, I seriously doubt it would be an exception. To test your theory I looked at some IMDB lists of 'best shows that only lasted one season'. Firefly was at the top of every list, and with a handful of exceptions I hadn't even heard of any of the others. You just need a certain volume of episodes to gain a foothold.

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly this. Just like Galactica 1980 was no Battlestar Galactica back in the days. Having nothing new is preferable to having utter shit.

I completely disagree with this point of view.

You must have shit your pants when TMP came along and then TWOK

Interesting visual.

But, yeah, TMP pretty much shocked my TOS sensibilities.

 

[kirk55555]

You must have shit your pants when TMP came along and then TWOK

Well, since TMP came out 11 years before I was born then TWOK came out 8 years before I was born, I really had no opinion. TNG was my first Trek, and still my favorite (with DS9 being a close second) although TWOK is my favorite movie (not just Trek or Sci Fi, but movies overall) of all time, not that its relevant to anything.

That said, the changes in those movies were still a lot less then the junk Discovery is doing, plus they were actually improvements (well, ok, TWOK had improvements, TMP is just mostly mediocre).