Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust
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I watched horror films and thrillers as a child with little parental supervision and relatively few restrictions on my viewing habits prior to my bedtime and turned out alright.
Okay, maybe I'm not the best example.
Okay, maybe I'm not the best example.
There won't be according to the producers.
Trigger alert!
All but one or two episodes.
Must be? No. Should be? Yes. It's throwing up a gate to fans that have watched the show for decades that previously wasn't there.
No.
I think your're viewing them from through rose colored nostalgia glasses.
I've been watching for 50 years. I plan to watch for 50 more. Nothing about "TV-MA" scares me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Parental_Guidelines
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/v-chip-putting-restrictions-what-your-children-watch
I am not sure if they are always correct, but IMDb has the parental guidelines listed.
TOS
TAS
TNG
DS9
VOY
ENT
TAS has a TV-Y7 rating. All the other shows have a TV-PG rating. So I really wonder what more DIS will show.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/v-chip-putting-restrictions-what-your-children-watch
- TV-Y - programs aimed at a very young audience, including children from ages 2-6.
- TV-Y7 - programs most appropriate for children age 7 and up.
- TV-Y7-FV - programming with fantasy violence that may be more intense or more combative than other programming in the TV-Y7 category.
- TV-G - programs suitable for all ages; these are not necessarily children's shows.
- TV-PG - parental guidance is recommended; these programs may be unsuitable for younger children.
- TV-14 - these shows may be unsuitable for children under 14.
- TV-MA - these programs are intended to be viewed by mature, adult audiences and may be unsuitable for children under 17.
I am not sure if they are always correct, but IMDb has the parental guidelines listed.
TOS
TAS
TNG
DS9
VOY
ENT
TAS has a TV-Y7 rating. All the other shows have a TV-PG rating. So I really wonder what more DIS will show.
Probably not all that much. Salvation, which is on CBS proper, recently had two characters going at it in a bathroom, a gun battle and a woman killed by a poison that turned her skin yellow.
It would be child's play, if you'd pardon the pun, to come up with a list of 100 Star Trek episodes that are arguably not suitable for children, mostly because of violence and death.
If you've watched for decades, how does TVMA throw up a gate to you? To realistically have watched even Enterprise in first run, you must be at least 20.
All but a dozen or four.
Not a gate for them, a gate for their next generation, whom they wish to experience it with. If it is TVMA, than they cannot do so as responsible parents (depending on exactly what content results in this rating, of course). If their first experience with Star Trek was as a child of say age 10, than they would hope their own children would be able to experience a new series of their own on those terms.
I started at the age of four with a few episodes to prepare an understanding of the ship and characters for TWOK in 1982. It was one of the first films I saw in a theater. I don't remember my reactions anymore (its been a long time now). I know it was too loud for me back then, and my mother probably blocked my view a few times. TWOK, while violent, is not TVMA (R) levels of a film, even for the pre-PG-13 rating days.
I bet a little more violence, more intense situations, and stronger language.
Horseshit. You don't get people ready to live in the world by hiding it from them.
So you think it is appropriate for your four year old to watch TWoK. Think carefully about the movie of which you are talking about. There are several instances of people being turned into human torches during the space battles, two people are disintegrated (along with howling screams) when they are inside of Regula. Khan himself looks like a horror-show monster as he sets off the Genesis device. We also see people on Regula One hung like hogs being ready to get smoked.
Unless there are decapitations and Klingons ripping the guts out of people, I don't see how it could be any more violent or gruesome.
I don't know the show but IMDb lists it as TV-14.
I am watching watching Teen Wolf season 5 right now and in one episode part of someone's head was screamed off. And they really showed part of the head missing. You could look into the rest of the head. And in another episode a big werewolf was ripping a teenager apart and you saw then the upper half of the body with the lower part missing. And werewolfs ripping though people's carotids on the neck are seen all the time or a girl with an open ripcage with the heart missing was also shown. Teenagers getting tortured quite often in the series. And really bad "medics" were shown who among other things drilled holes in the heads of people. And so much more! Especially the later seasons got really, really gory. And Teen Wolf has a TV-14 rating!
So if a TV-14 rating allow all those things, what does DIS do to need a TV-MA rating? Saw level gore? Or is it really just because of explicit sex scenes? I hope it is the later rather than the first. I want Star Trek to be fun and portray an optimistic, positive future. I already know from the promotion that I won't get it, but I really hope they don't go so dark that they show all the time people die even more gruesomely than on Teen Wolf.
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Wow, that's a dickish way to put it. "Who cares, you'll watch it, **** you!"
Change it all you want, it'll work out for you if you changed it to something *good*, but if you didn't, don't whine when fans don't like what they see or blame them for being intolerant.
And if you think fans will watch any Star Trek even if it's terrible, I challenge you to watch the trends of the Voyager and Enterprise ratings from season to season. Sure they'll tune in on day 1, but just because the loudest complainers will be the ones complaining about the changes doesn't mean the majority of fans aren't concerned about quality, and if it's your attitude that it does, then it makes me root against you personally.
Maybe cheer if gritty, dark Star Trek claims your character's life. Removal of an actor with contempt for the fan base.
Change it all you want, it'll work out for you if you changed it to something *good*, but if you didn't, don't whine when fans don't like what they see or blame them for being intolerant.
And if you think fans will watch any Star Trek even if it's terrible, I challenge you to watch the trends of the Voyager and Enterprise ratings from season to season. Sure they'll tune in on day 1, but just because the loudest complainers will be the ones complaining about the changes doesn't mean the majority of fans aren't concerned about quality, and if it's your attitude that it does, then it makes me root against you personally.
Maybe cheer if gritty, dark Star Trek claims your character's life. Removal of an actor with contempt for the fan base.
My kids aren't going to watch it, as they are 4 years old and 2 years old, respectively.
I will watch the first episode, and if it contains material I find objectionable, I will hold off on the rest.
It's not very complicated - we all have the right and responsibility as parents to make personal choices in regards to our children's entertainment, based on their personal maturity and emotional makeup.
If Star Trek: Discovery is suitable for my kids to watch, they will watch it, if it isn't - they won't. All the "MA" rating does is make me some what more cautious.
I will watch the first episode, and if it contains material I find objectionable, I will hold off on the rest.
It's not very complicated - we all have the right and responsibility as parents to make personal choices in regards to our children's entertainment, based on their personal maturity and emotional makeup.
If Star Trek: Discovery is suitable for my kids to watch, they will watch it, if it isn't - they won't. All the "MA" rating does is make me some what more cautious.
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