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News xHamster makes offer for a third season of "Sense8".

I work at an adult store, and we just shut down our DVD rental section, because it made less than € 200,- a day. It rarely had customers younger than 40 three years ago, since then it was barely anyone below 50. For adult stores, the future is sex toys, lingerie and such, with magazines and films more of a side business.

As for porn companies, aside of what they still make from old media, they have their own streaming services, using tube sites for trailers and such (like the big movie studios use YouTube). And the performers have other venues, still, like custom videos and private online shows.
Plus, sometimes it's worth paying for quality. There are sites out there that pay their performers well, follow health precautions, and make the effort to produce something good. I support that kind of thing.
 
Netflix's Turned On series shows how lucrative the business is. Made me ponder that maybe the exploited aren't the performers, but the users. Buy some tokens, tip a camgirl, what have you bought? Nothing tangible.
 
Netflix's Turned On series shows how lucrative the business is. Made me ponder that maybe the exploited aren't the performers, but the users. Buy some tokens, tip a camgirl, what have you bought? Nothing tangible.
You basically just described every form of entertainment ever, from a trip to the theatre to pay-per-view boxing and...err...Netflix!
 
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Do we need to get into specifics, or is it understood what exactly is being purchased in the exchange, and how that differs from, say, buying tickets to a baseball game?
 
Do we need to get into specifics, or is it understood what exactly is being purchased in the exchange, and how that differs from, say, buying tickets to a baseball game?
Well if anything that makes the exchange *more* valuable, not less. That's depending on what you generally do at sporting events of course. I won't judge. Though I would presume that the venue owners tend to frown at that sort of thing. It is a bit unsanitary after all.
 
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Major League Baseball is the worst offender

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You basically just described every form of entertainment ever, from a trip to the theatre to pay-per-view boxing and...err...Netflix!
 
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Do we need to get into specifics, or is it understood what exactly is being purchased in the exchange, and how that differs from, say, buying tickets to a baseball game?
You're buying an experience.
 
Netflix's Turned On series shows how lucrative the business is. Made me ponder that maybe the exploited aren't the performers, but the users. Buy some tokens, tip a camgirl, what have you bought? Nothing tangible.

How about "someone's time and labor"? Do you think people get naked in front of webcams for fun? Some might, but most are trying to make a living. Seems kinda shitty to devalue sex work like that--and yes, it is work.

And this is putting aside, for the moment, how many webcam performers are in circumstances not far from slavery, if not being slavery outright. But at least you got to make your cheap shot, right?
 
Interesting and getting a bit off topic.. Its millenials that are the do anything for the dollar kind of experience . well if they ever do make it through skool.. Get big time job and someone encounters on net good luck keeping that job... Very short sighted.


How about "someone's time and labor"? Do you think people get naked in front of webcams for fun? Some might, but most are trying to make a living. Seems kinda shitty to devalue sex work like that--and yes, it is work.

And this is putting aside, for the moment, how many webcam performers are in circumstances not far from slavery, if not being slavery outright. But at least you got to make your cheap shot, right?
 
Dealing drugs is work too. You make money, you're doing some kind of work, no doubt about that. It's a given. Pornography is a kind of drug as well, has an negative effect on the mind, on the personality, damages interpersonal relationships. And one of the hardest addictions to break. It's ubiquitous and normalized. You can't get away from it, and you can generate content in your own imagination—the girl at the grocery store, or your wife's hot friend. A pusher needs addicts to make money, someone to exploit. Pornographers need addicts too, those who desire sensory aids to achieve the endorphin rush an orgasm provides. If the performer is also the producer, the performer has to use their product to sell it—the 19 year old girl live streaming her masturbation for tips, whether she be a slave to the Russian mafia, or an entrepreneur from SoCal. It's a cycle of exploitation, targeting the lonely, the socially awkward, the sexually abused. And I'm more inclined to believe that both the performers and the users, from the stripper, the prostitute, the porn star, the camgirl, to all the buyers, viewers, and clients, that most of them, are victims of sexual abuse, or introduced to pornography at a young age, reliving that trauma, seeking it, being defined by it. Struggling to get away from it. But it feels so good. . . .

That's the exploitation. The cheap shot, if you will.

Maybe the money shot.
 
Huh, this thread doesn't seem to be discussing Sense8 at all; seems rather singularly focused on xHamster and porn, instead. Almost as if the offer were some kind of publicity... ploy. :p
 
Interesting and getting a bit off topic.. Its millenials that are the do anything for the dollar kind of experience . well if they ever do make it through skool.. Get big time job and someone encounters on net good luck keeping that job... Very short sighted.

Yes, I suppose trying to survive is "very short sighted." :rolleyes:

Dealing drugs is work too. You make money, you're doing some kind of work, no doubt about that. It's a given. Pornography is a kind of drug as well, has an negative effect on the mind, on the personality, damages interpersonal relationships. And one of the hardest addictions to break. It's ubiquitous and normalized. You can't get away from it, and you can generate content in your own imagination—the girl at the grocery store, or your wife's hot friend. A pusher needs addicts to make money, someone to exploit. Pornographers need addicts too, those who desire sensory aids to achieve the endorphin rush an orgasm provides. If the performer is also the producer, the performer has to use their product to sell it—the 19 year old girl live streaming her masturbation for tips, whether she be a slave to the Russian mafia, or an entrepreneur from SoCal. It's a cycle of exploitation, targeting the lonely, the socially awkward, the sexually abused. And I'm more inclined to believe that both the performers and the users, from the stripper, the prostitute, the porn star, the camgirl, to all the buyers, viewers, and clients, that most of them, are victims of sexual abuse, or introduced to pornography at a young age, reliving that trauma, seeking it, being defined by it. Struggling to get away from it. But it feels so good. . . .

I am sorry about your porn addiction but this is a really weird post and has little to do with what you originally said or what my reply was about.

Huh, this thread doesn't seem to be discussing Sense8 at all; seems rather singularly focused on xHamster and porn, instead. Almost as if the offer were some kind of publicity... ploy. :p

Instead of patting yourself on the back, perhaps you might notice that far, far more people will be aware of xHamster and, you know, porn, than a little show called Sense8.
 
1. Pornography can be addictive. It can be terribly hard to break an addiction to it - at one time I had a tendency to seek out such sites, that I had to work very hard on myself to break. Sure, it's normal to have hormones and want to see sex, nudity and porn but it takes self-control and a lot of willpower to resist going back again and again.*
*If you think its ok to look at porn once in a while, for fun, that's one thing. Being addicted to it, needing it, is a different ballgame.
2. Sex slavery exists, in this country and even worse in others. Statistics are hard to come by. I don't consider people who enter the adult industry for desperately needed money to be "slaves"; but it's certainly not a fun life for those who are not really willing.
If you're literally being forced into it by an "employer"; can't leave even if you want to; and can't live your own life that's slavery. Even worse are the teenage girls trafficked to brothels around the world.
3. The adult film industry in the United States is pretty heavily regulated nowadays compared to a few decades ago. I'm sure there are people who feel stuck in a porn career because they won't have a job otherwise, but that's not really slavery (excepting those who take advantage of performers, pay less than promised or other forms of abuse).
4. I'd love to see some real statistics on the correlation between those choosing a career (temporarily or full-time) in sex* (*stripping, prostitution or porn films) and sexual abuse as a child. Aside from those forced into sex slavery, which is something else altogether, I doubt you"ll find anything significant.
 
Instead of patting yourself on the back, perhaps you might notice that far, far more people will be aware of xHamster and, you know, porn, than a little show called Sense8.
Obviously. But that precludes the possibility of this letter being a publicity stunt how, exactly? Evidence A: this Sci-Fi/Fantasy board (not that kind of "fantasy") wasn't much debating the economics and morality of porn before this "offer" came along.
 
Interesting and getting a bit off topic.. Its millenials (sp) that are the do anything for the dollar kind of experience[ ]. well if they ever do make it through skool.. Get big time job and someone encounters on net good luck keeping that job... Very short sighted.

With all those typos and mistakes to go along with the content, I can't tell if this is a joke post or not.
 
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