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Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

That may be so. But I'm not interested in watching an "alternative" version of Kirk and crew. I
Did you watch/'acknowledge' the TOS Movies? Most of the original crew, especially Kirk and Spock, are quite different from the TV portrayal of them. They are at least as different as the JJ characters. So is the ship, for that matter. They contain plot devices to explain these, but so does ST09.

I'm not saying you have to like the JJ movies. There are certainly aspects I don't like. But they're definitely worth it as an interpretation of the TOS era, and probably the closest to the original interpretation we've seen since the 60s. It's no skin off my nose, of course. You are missing out, is all.
I don't understand what the problem is here. Some people welcome the change of style, some people don't. And here some people say that we should all like new style. Why? What if somebody said to you, "hey, I see that you like blondes. You are wrong. You should like redheads".
This whole discussion is pointless. Lorca said what he said, which in my opinion is arrogant. "Adapt or go away" was basically what he said. I have a problem with that kind of communication.
I'm going to take a wild guess based on your username and assume that you are familiar with the changing female vocalists of a particular metal band. Were you a hardcore Tarja fan, accept no substitutes, or have you adapted to the changes as time's gone on?
 
The thing is, I really think Discovery was conceived as an attempt to sort of meet all fans half-way, in which case Isaacs sort of rubbing his hands in glee over the eventual fan-on-fan apocalypse seems to run counter to that mission-statement.
It's his personal opinion, and made in an off - the - cuff interview setting. The fact it has incited so much discussion says more about Trek fans than about the actor or showrunners.
 
I'm going to take a wild guess based on your username and assume that you are familiar with the changing female vocalists of a particular metal band. Were you a hardcore Tarja fan, accept no substitutes, or have you adapted to the changes as time's gone on?

As you may have guessed. I like Tarja. I don't hate Anette or Floor, but I don't accept anybody else singing songs from Tarja-era.
 
Again- just to be clear...I think this is a tremendous thread. Lots of different opinions and emotions flowing right now...but generally in a civil and constructive way.

I'll tell you...it's VERY different than how things are in other forums or how they were in the past during Trek "inflection points!"

:)
 
I have certainly seen some folks get over-heated in these fan on fan discussions.
Here's my take. On one "side" there are fans who are not merely disgruntled by the apparent creative choices of a new Star Trek show (or film) they are SO angry that they want it all to fail, to go away, and Trek to either revert to something they like or go away forever.
That stance threatens - to some extent - the thing I love and enjoy. I am not going to be neutral in my replies or comments about "fans" who take such an extreme view, nor am I going to be neutral about other "fans" who complain that those who take such an extreme view are being treated poorly.
When you come by and poop on the lawn at the City Park, shame on you. When you set the lawn at the City Park on fire, I'm going to have to respond, and not in some neutral bland fashion, respecting your opinion and qualifying my comments "Well, I can certainly respect your desire to see the Park burn, and I know you are civic-minded, but I think parks should be fire-free."
 
Yeah.
What's wrong with that? :shrug:

Because I think it's ridiculous and unnecessary.

Isaacs held the mirror up. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Not really. His statement was pretty much, "Yeah, we've got the aesthetic right, but Trek fans aren't going to like our stories."

Which my concern IS with the aesthetics and not so much worried about the story telling. In the end he even basically said, we're just doing what the Star Trek franchise has always done.

I honestly can't see how people are seeing this as some awesome throwdown on certain fans.
 
How many people really are really against change and how many are simply against what they see as drastic change to the prime universe? I can't help but think that 60% of the complaints would have been erased if they simply called the show a reboot that will still use some of the canon from the older shows.

That's where I am, really. Based on the trailer, I would've preferred that it be either a Kelvin timeline prequel or something set in its own world (based on the visual design).

Most people resistant to DSC are NOT TOS fans. It's TNG-era fans looking for the post-Nemesis timeline and TNG visual style. They use the "BUTT TEH CANNON!!!1!" arguments to try to prove that a show in their less-liked era cannot be done.

We like to say it's TOS purists...but don't kid yourself. Most hardcore TOS fans are well beyond that kind of shit at this point. We just want a great show.

I'm a TOS fan (I like TNG too, but I'm a TOS fan as well), and all my reservations about DSC are based on the canonical questions that the trailers have raised (the Klingons, for example), esp. in connection to TOS itself.

Personally, I think it's a given that DSC being in the prime universe (and the implied fidelity to canon that that statement indicates) is only going to be honored in the breach. So, I think we need to make peace with that (whatever that looks like) and judge the show primarily on its own merits when it comes out.

Not saying that it should get a pass when there are mistakes in comparison to the rest of the franchise; since they made the "prime universe" statement, that is a fair criticism. The Powers That Be bound themselves to that rule, which they shouldn't've done if they didn't want to have restrictions like that. However, that has relevance to whether DSC is a good show, since that's not a part the criteria that makes a good story. (Case in point, a case can be made that Logan doesn't fit into the X-Men movie timeline that well, but it's a good movie and still would be even if it was de-canonized down the road.)
 
Unnecessary? Maybe.
Ridiculous? No more than Starfleet going through 4 different uniform styles in 9 years from Encounter at Farpoint to First Contact...

Meh. They're pretty much the same uniform style just with different colors. If Discovery's uniform was as different from "The Cage" as Voyager's was from TNG, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
That has happened, and most people outside of American don't really have a connection to their national anthem, it's just a random qauint old thing they notice once every few years.
But I JUST learned all the words to "God Save the Queen!" don't you change it on me NOW!
 
TV TOS is absolutely my favorite, everything afterwards (including the TOS movies) all suffered from the "I am Star Trek" syndrome. Instead of just trying to be a good TV show (or movie) they had to BE Star Trek and pound it into us how Star Trekie they were.

TOS was good because they weren't trying to do anything but tell stories using a spaceship as a backdrop. Ever since then, it's been like "Hey, look at my series, I'm Star Trek!". Crap, just forget Star Trek and just tell us good stories and quit beating us over the head with all your damned Star Trekieness.
 
Meh. They're pretty much the same uniform style just with different colors. If Discovery's uniform was as different from "The Cage" as Voyager's was from TNG, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Honestly, no - they're not. The VOY/DS9 style is quite different from the TNG style . Even the TNG S1 and S3 uniforms were really different styles as they do in fact have major upper shoulder area and collar differences - and the S1 versions are all one-piece spandex and the S3 versions are two piece.

In terms of material look the First Contact uniforms are unlike both the TNG and DS9 uniforms.

Hell, "The Cage" uniforms are VERY different from the TOS series uniforms.

TV TOS is absolutely my favorite, everything afterwards (including the TOS movies) all suffered from the "I am Star Trek" syndrome. Instead of just trying to be a good TV show (or movie) they had to BE Star Trek and pound it into us how Star Trekie they were.

TOS was good because they weren't trying to do anything but tell stories using a spaceship as a backdrop. Ever since then, it's been like "Hey, look at my series, I'm Star Trek!". Crap, just forget Star Trek and just tell us good stories and quit beating us over the head with all your damned Star Trekieness.
^^^
This is VERY VERY accurate. Wish I could SUPER 'like' this.
 
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