We don't know she's going to die, though I hesistate to say any more for fear of going into story idea territory.
Litverse & Star Trek '09
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Directive? You mean the novels have to stick to this?
I always thought it was just a theory.One I don't particularly care for, to be honest...I like the worldbuilding that the Kelvin films have been doing, and I'd like to think that it can apply to Prime as well. I was looking forward to seeing what happened to things like the Kelvin and Captain Robau (hell, even Edison) in the prime timeline. And I always assumed the general look and feel of the Kelvin could easily have applied to prime...
Also I believe the Control novel included a reference to
the Franklin
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Usually the Encyclopedia is treated as gospel to the tie-ins. No guarantees, though.Directive? You mean the novels have to stick to this?
Could go either way.
The IDW comics give Keenser a species and a family...
Even if they are totally unconnected, there's nothing to rule out there being Prime versions of the Kelvin and the Franklin.Directive? You mean the novels have to stick to this?
One I don't particularly care for, to be honest...I like the worldbuilding that the Kelvin films have been doing, and I'd like to think that it can apply to Prime as well. I was looking forward to seeing what happened to things like the Kelvin and Captain Robau (hell, even Edison) in the prime timeline. And I always assumed the general look and feel of the Kelvin could easily have applied to prime...
Also I believe the Control novel included a reference to, though I'm not sure how it was allowed to do so.the Franklin
The Encyclopedia only says that certain events before 2233 could be different. It also says they're largely parallel. It certainly does not require us to treat them as completely separate. I mean, obviously they still have the same people and organizations in them, like Kirk and Spock and Starfleet and stuff, so most of the history is the same.
Besides, this is fiction. Continuity serves story, not vice versa. If we do end up with permission to use elements from Kelvin films in Prime-timeline fiction, then we'll do so when and how it benefits the stories we want to tell. The relationship of the timelines will be interpreted in whatever way best serves the storytelling. That's surely why the Okudas put that line in the Encyclopedia in the first place -- not to restrict storytelling freedom, but to serve it, by providing a pre-emptive excuse for any timeline tweaks future Kelvin filmmakers might want to introduce for the sake of their stories. (Making it ironic that it came out before the one film that had the fewest problems fitting with Prime history.)
So know we can find out what they were doing between STID and Beyond. Will any writers take ideas from the comics?
Honestly, I'm much more interested in how the Prime Universe can tackle backstory and events from the last three movies than I am in novels set in the actual Kelvin timeline, not in the least because anything within the KT will have to stick with the mostly-episodic, put-everything-back-in-the-box stylings of the bad old days, at least with regard to the Enterprise crew. Whereas they can do whatever wacky, cracked out, universe-shaking stuff they want to with how the Federation (or someone else) discovered Krall, the further adventures of the Kelvin (either starting with or moving through the day baby Jim was born and absolutely nothing else of interest happened), and, of course, Countdown to Prose.
It's certainly a possibility, but from this evidence alone, it's reaching a bit !
Ouch, I hope not.
I thought it was established by Orci/Kurtz that only after the kelvin would be affected. cant see how neros incursion would change events prior the Kelvin as well? (when watching Beyond the whole Franklin/Edison thing was fun as you know their disappearance etc mustve happened in the Prime timeline too, its just ShatKirk etc might not have encountered them..or maybe they did, but was obviously a different outcome)I am wondering if the novelverse will follow the recent Encyclopedia's directive (and Simon Pegg's) that effects from Nero's incursion rippled backwards as well as forward through the timeline (thus although stuff like transwarp beaming, the Narada and Red Matter are things they have to include, there may not have been a Balthazar Edison, USS Franklin, icy Delta Vega or Necro Cloud in the Prime Universe), or if they'll stick by Orci and Kurtzman's intention that the timelines were one and the same up until 2233.04?
Yes, that was their assumption at the time they were working on the movies, but they aren't working on the movies anymore. New creators aren't bound by the assumptions of their predecessors. Jeri Taylor considered her Voyager novels to be canonical, but once she left the show, her successors ignored her novels. Gene Roddenberry insisted there could be no three-nacelled starships, but after he was gone, we got a three-nacelled future Enterprise in "All Good Things...".
I've heard or thought of three possibilities:
1) Changing the future means changing or eliminating future time travels into the past (e.g. the events of "City on the Edge of Forever" or The Voyage Home or "Past Tense" or First Contact or whatever), so that means the influence of those time travelers on past events is changed, and thus the past is retroactively changed. (I'm unsure of this one, because if time branches into two parallel tracks in the future, then time travelers from both tracks should still be around to travel into their shared past. And a number of events in Prime canon are influenced by the actions of time travelers from "erased" timelines, e.g. the "Yesterday's Enterprise" crew saving the Enterprise-C and sending it back with their Tasha Yar aboard.)
2) The Red Matter "black hole" opened in at least two times in the past -- 2233, when it discharged Nero, and 2258, when it discharged Spock Prime. It could've opened other portals at earlier times in the past, and even if no ships came through, the gravitational effects of those portals or the supernova energies they discharged could've affected nearby ship traffic or cosmic phenomena (cf. how Soran's supernovae in Generations affected surrounding events), or perhaps starship crews could've changed course to investigate them, and this could've had subtle influences on earlier history.
3) Quantum retrocausality. One quantum theory says that it's possible for events to be influenced by "advanced waves" in quantum wavefunctions propagating back in time from the future. Generally these advanced waves are cancelled out by "retarded waves" moving forward, but in some cases they might actually be able to affect past events. Since Red Matter is an exotic phenomenon, it might be capable of such weird temporal effects.
^ I absolutely love posts like this!
To misquote my favourite (female) captain: "My advice on making sense of temporal
Wheres the fun in that!
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