Entertainment Weekly Cover Story (7/28)

[JD]

Can we just move on please? This conversation is just going around in circles and getting us nowhere, and if it keeps going on much longer it's gonna get ugly.
Was there nothing else in the article worth discussing? Has anybody picked up the magazine and can say how long the article is, or if it's different from the stuff they've posted on their website? I'm curious to read it, but if it's either all online, or so short I can just read it in the store, I'd rather go one of those routes than spend money on it if I don't have to.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Yeah, but...boy bands? What the actual hell?

TOS had 1/4 of a boy band:

 

[Fateor]

I'd just like to remind everyone that Kirsten Beyer has written 10 Voyager novels and short stories, several of which have been best sellers, and the majority of which have been better than most of the episodes. So I say we give her the benefit of the doubt here.

She also brought back Janeway, killed q, and butchered Q's character.

 

[Tuskin38]

She also brought back Janeway

I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[King Bob!]

It could be just the opposite of what we're thinking. Lorca could be a devout Christian (or other religion) and it would be out of character for him to use God's name as an expletive.

Once again, nice thought. But that isn't what is reported in the EW article.

 

[Longinus]

I actually think that there was some other reason they did't want him to say it and 'Gene's Vision' thing was just a joke.

I mean I'm all for religion-free Federation, but certainly people can still say 'god'?

 

[Tuskin38]

Once again, nice thought. But that isn't what is reported in the EW article.

And apparently the EW team didn't get the full story.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

"For God's sake" isn't an expletive, but that is an excellent point. I admit I didn't even think of it.

Does anyone watch Killjoys?
They say "what the hells [plural]?" and "Oh my gods [plural]" all of the time, connoting polytheism.

Killjoys is more comic-book type entertainment than it is sci-fi (but it's still a lot of fun), so I don't expect them to explore that polytheism in detail, or even to the limited extent that nuBSG did. But I thought I'd bring it up.

 

[JD]

She also brought back Janeway, killed q, and butchered Q's character.

She's done great stuff with Janeway, I didn't have a problem with q's death, and I don't remember there having any problem with her take on Q.

 

[kirk55555]

She's done great stuff with Janeway, I didn't have a problem with q's death, and I don't remember there having any problem with her take on Q.

Well, screw her. I don't read the Voyager books (because there are approximately 12,000 Voyager books set after the series, with no clear start point) but as someone who really likes Q and actually liked all of Q's Voyager episodes, if she messed with that then I'm more pissed off at her about that then I am about her apparently being one of the rabid "Gene's Vision" nuts.

 

[JD]

She really really didn't. Just go to the Trek Lit section of the board and ask people about Kirsten Beyer and her books and you'll see that Fateor's opinion is by far in the very small minority. Her books have actually been some of the best received books of any of the current series.
As for the Voyager Relaunch books, there's eleven of them, with two starting points at either Christie Golden's Homecoming, or Beyer's Full Circle. There's actually a lot more TNG and DS9 Relaunch books that there are Voyager.

 

[Fateor]

Well, screw her. I don't read the Voyager books (because there are approximately 12,000 Voyager books set after the series, with no clear start point) but as someone who really likes Q and actually liked all of Q's Voyager episodes, if she messed with that then I'm more pissed off at her about that then I am about her apparently being one of the rabid "Gene's Vision" nuts.

I almost forgot.

She also erased Amanda Rogers from existence, made it so Q now hates humans because they were responsible for q's death, massively retconed the Q's backstory, and made Janeway a literal special snowflake of the multiverse.

 

[Tuskin38]

12,000 Voyager books set after the series, with no clear start point)

There is very clear start point for the Voyager centric novels.

 

[kirk55555]

I almost forgot.

She also erased Amanda Rogers from existence, made it so Q now hates humans because they were responsible for q's death, massively retconed the Q's backstory, and made Janeway a literal special snowflake of the multiverse.

Wow, ok, this woman has officially taken Kurtzman/Orci's title asthe worst writer to work on an official Trek thing. I like Q a lot, he's one of my favorite Star Trek characters and I liked all of his television appearances (along with some of the really good Q books by people like Peter David and Greg Cox). If Beyer actually did all the things you described, she's easily my most hated Trek writer and I now know to never even consider glancing at a Voyager novel.

At this rate, someone could tell me she made my favorite Voyager cast member/top 3 favorite Trek character (the EMH) and into a serial and I wouldn't be shocked. But, this is Discovery. Getting the worst people possible for the job is becoming a trend.

There is very clear start point for the Voyager centric novels.

There's like three, but it doesn't matter because at this point, after what I've learned, I'd rather stick a Voyager novel in a shredder then read it.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's like three, but it doesn't matter because at this point, after what I've learned, I'd rather stick a Voyager novel in a shredder then read it.

Judge for yourself, or go ask for more the a single person's opinion in the Trek Lit forum.

It is a lot better then it sounds.

 

[kirk55555]

Judge for yourself, or go ask for more the a single person's opinion in the Trek Lit forum.

It is a lot better then it sounds.

Q is one of my favorite characters. If the events described happened, and you don't seem to dispute that, then fuck the Voyager novels and Beyer. Making the EMH a murderer or, I don't know, making Geordi a cannibal wouldn't piss me off as much. It is not "a lot better" then it sounds. If it happened, it is the single worst thing the novels have done and easily one of the worst things in an official Trek product.

 

[Fateor]

Wow, ok, this woman has officially taken Kurtzman/Orci's title asthe worst writer to work on an official Trek thing. I like Q a lot, he's one of my favorite Star Trek characters and I liked all of his television appearances (along with some of the really good Q books by people like Peter David and Greg Cox). If Beyer actually did all the things you described, she's easily my most hated Trek writer and I now know to never even consider glancing at a Voyager novel.

Sadly all of it is true and actually happened as described.

At this rate, someone could tell me she made my favorite Voyager cast member/top 3 favorite Trek character (the EMH) and into a serial and I wouldn't be shocked. But, this is Discovery. Getting the worst people possible for the job is becoming a trend.

She didn't turn him into a serial killer...

But she did make it so the Doctor had a mental breakdown and then had I think it was either Doctor Zimmerman or Barclay secretly erase all his memories of 7 of 9 to fix it...

 

[kirk55555]

Sadly all of it is true and actually happened as described.


She didn't turn him into a serial killer...

But she did make it so the Doctor had a mental breakdown and then had I think it was either Doctor Zimmerman or Barclay secretly erase all his memories of 7 of 9 to fix it...

I didn't know bad fanfic writers were getting hired to write actual books. I'm really glad I stick to TOS/TNG novels (I got lost in the 5 billion DS9 novels, although I liked them when I could still follow them).

 

[NOVE9]

Q is one of my favorite characters. If the events described happened, and you don't seem to dispute that, then fuck the Voyager novels and Beyer. Making the EMH a murderer or, I don't know, making Geordi a cannibal wouldn't piss me off as much. It is not "a lot better" then it sounds. If it happened, it is the single worst thing the novels have done and easily one of the worst things in an official Trek product.

Why would you not verify something a random told you on the internet before making up your own mind? I don't read star trek novels anymore (I think the last one was the section 31 series) but just go buy one of her books, read it and decide for yourself before shitting all over someone who uses this forum.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

If you turn your head, you can clearly see it's the exact same transporter wall behind, just “The dress” illusion makes you think one is gold, and the other is blue.