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Spoilers The Doctor Falls (Grade & Discussion Thread)

What is your view on the finale?

  • This is the perfect ending!

    Votes: 31 34.8%
  • Now that was really very nicely done.

    Votes: 46 51.7%
  • No biggie.

    Votes: 9 10.1%
  • A really rubbish one.

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Like sewage, smart phones and Donald Trump!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    89
  • Poll closed .
Thought (I mentioned earlier): The Master reshapes his regeneration so he doesn't become Missy, he becomes someone else, based on Eleven's recurring line, time can be rewritten.

Conversely, Missy has a trick up her sleeve because she knew this was coming though she said she didn't (the Doctor/the Master lies). Also, the Master refused to regenerate during Ten's time, but still worked out how to come back.

Come on, he's got this.
 
Yeah, the only thing without doubt is that this is the last we'll see Michelle Gomez in the role, and even that I wouldn't consider a guarantee, she could always come back if they do another Master crossover in the future.

But in no way was Missy's death a permanent end for the Master. Assuming the Simm Master was being truthful when he said he used the full effect of the laser screwdriver on her and that this was sufficient enough to prevent regeneration there are still plenty of options explaining how she could survive. For all we know, Simm was lying, or more likely just as Missy remembered herself telling Simm to always carry a TARDIS component, maybe she had access to enough memories to remember to bring along some protection. Perhaps, just enough so that, yes, the laser screwdriver is still lethal, but negated enough to allow regeneration.

Regardless, all we see is Missy lying on the ground and her eyes closing. Considering the Master has survived at least two cremations, not to mention being tossed into volcanic pits, stomped on by dinosaurs, vaporized by Daleks, swallowed by the TARDIS engines, and dozens others, anyone who seriously thinks Missy's death is truly the end for the Master really doesn't understand the show.

We'll get a new Master someday. That's a guarantee. Probably even without an explanation, which is something that's only started in the new era anyway. In the classic era the Master's survival of apparent death was always brushed off.
"I thought you died when we last met?"
"Obviously not."
Hell, the Master's ability to survive death has even been lampshaded a few times. The Doctor's narration to the TV movie refers to the Master saying "even in death, I could not trust him." Also, in Utopia, upon learning that Yana was a Time Lord, the Doctor seemed to instantly work out he was the Master.
 
The real mystery for me isn't how the Master can come back, but how the Doctor isn't vaporized by an explosion that wipes out the entire deck and most of the Cybermen while he is at ground zero.
 
The real mystery for me isn't how the Master can come back, but how the Doctor isn't vaporized by an explosion that wipes out the entire deck and most of the Cybermen while he is at ground zero.
You know the answer to that: Television magic and plot armor. ;)
 
The real mystery for me isn't how the Master can come back, but how the Doctor isn't vaporized by an explosion that wipes out the entire deck and most of the Cybermen while he is at ground zero.

Also, surely being at the very center such a massive explosion should have immediately triggered his regeneration. So, I think it would have been more plausible if the Doctor had immediately regenerated when he was lying on the ground after saying the line about the stars. But it seems like the episode is taking a different interpretation that the explosion was so massive that it did kill the Doctor before he could regenerate and that it was Bill's tears, thanks to her being made of that nano liquid, that revived the Doctor and thus enabled him to regenerate.
 
True, but thanks to Davies, I've long since abandoned any hope for plausibility in the season finales.
I am quite forgiving when it comes to implausibility in sci-fi, but lately it feels like the writers have the same mentality as Marty in the Stargate episode 200.
 
Was anyone else really excited by the appearance of the First Doctor, but then remember that Moffat tends to overhype his good ideas so they turn out rather dissapointing?
 
Was anyone else really excited by the appearance of the First Doctor, but then remember that Moffat tends to overhype his good ideas so they turn out rather dissapointing?
That's the problem. Sometimes he's able to deliver and the stories are full of interesting twists and great moments, but those stories are less common now than they used to be.
 
That's the problem. Sometimes he's able to deliver and the stories are full of interesting twists and great moments, but those stories are less common now than they used to be.
I love his earlier individual episodes, but its like he started too high with his season long arcs and felt the pressure to just keep getting bigger and bigger.
 
Reading that link, I kinda wish it was RTD that was writing the Christmas Special - cause he's always been fond of that era, when things were fresh and new and had virtually no Time Lords in them.
 
The fuck is up with this site's database? I know I posted stuff and Romulan Spy replied, but I can't see the posts on iPad.
 
No, it couldn't - as the article says, it was a joke between RTD and Moffat on email.

I gather there was an alternate end where we'd see her start to regenerate, though - I guess they decided otherwise just to leave it open for Chibnall to ask Gomez back if he wanted to.

Yes, similar to the J Michael Straczynski prank where he assured Kutsulas and Jurasik that he had written a storyline where Londo would get G'Kar pregnant (even going as far as getting Kutsulas measured up for a pregnancy prosthetic).

If they did film that start of a regeneration for Missy, then I could easily see that being kept to one side just in case they need to use it in the future as a "flashback".
 
Does anyone else think the regeneration was triggered by being shot in The Lie of the Land? The light show at the time may not have been a fake-out.
 
Oh, my, that would have been a very naughty prank indeed. Too bad they nixed before it got too far. Just imagine how the fan base would explode in reaction to it. :guffaw:

I think it would have ended up something like Heinlein's "All You Zombies" -- the Master is pregnant by the Master, and their child is the Master! :)
 
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