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Thoughts on Discovery Starfleet Uniforms (Trailer Edition)

Found quite a few ribbed turtleneck collar tops. Mens and womens. No problem. Lots of them. Including on the high fashion end. The materials vary. That's true. I can see a few modernizations. But it's clear that something that looks a lot like the Cage uniform with a couple of nips and tucks would be just fine today.
 
Found quite a few ribbed turtleneck collar tops. Mens and womens. No problem. Lots of them. Including on the high fashion end. The materials vary. That's true. I can see a few modernizations. But it's clear that something that looks a lot like the Cage uniform with a couple of nips and tucks would be just fine today.


As a sci-fi uniform? Modern sci-fi says otherwise.
 
As a sci-fi uniform? Modern sci-fi says otherwise.

The context was that somehow that some small segment of the fandom might like Cage uniforms, but the general audience would not. But I think it's the other way around. Why would any non-core fans be opposed to ribbed collars or turtlenecks? Is there some reason to believe that people in the future will wear smooth, stiff high collars like Discovery but not ribbed turtlenecks? I cant think of any and I cant imagine anyone in the general audience thinking that.
 
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The context was that somehow that some small segment of the fandom might like Cage uniforms, but the general audience would not. But I think it's the other way around. Why would any non-core fans be opposed to ribber collars or turtlenecks? Is there some reason to believe that people in the future will wear smooth, stiff high collars like Discovery but not ribbed turtlenecks? I cant think of any and I cant imagine anyone in the general audience thinking that.


I and it seems the production an marketing people disagree with you. Turtlenecks do not looks futuristic or sci-fi. Heck they could not even sell it to the guys in charge in the 60's!
 
I see them all the time. But who wears smooth stiff Discovery high collars? I see turtlenecks a lot more than I see that. And metallic bands around the shoulders? No one in the general audience is aware of the "no turtlenecks in the 23rd Century" rule.
 
We all know they did that, so they can be the only ones allowed to sell accurate uniforms.

I've seen this everywhere and it's utter hogwash. Aside from the fact that absolutely no costume designer is going in thinking "Right, let's mess with cosplayers and make a company I'm not involved with loadsa cash!", it's not THAT hard! The metallic piping - easy. I do something similar regularly.


^ Image is behind a spoiler code so as not to take up half a screen; but the piping can be done the same way I made those cuffs (those ones are rough, first attempt last year but it's the first pic I had to hand :p). It's tricky. Not impossible.

The delta fabric? Knock up a template, find a print shop. Getting embossed prints might be trickier, but even then - achievable. And everything else is basic sewing. Not that difficult and I'm absolutely stunned that people can go out and make fully functional Hulkbuster costumes that are eleventy feet tall, yet a bit of a print job has ruined costuming at a con :/

Everyone keeps saying this, but where is the evidence? I've never seen any poll or example from modern television that proves this is true. It just seems to be people's assumptions.

It's a safe assumption. Design has advanced in costumes just as much as anything else. People are being more adventurous now, and then we have video game influences as game designers don't have to worry about limits or costume budget as their assets are digital.

That said, I'd actually complain that modern sci fi is too boring. How many sci fi productions have we seen over the past decade or so where the most adventurous thing is just another alternate of real-world BDU's? A lot of sci fi has been very grounded and filled with the sense of "make it look more real!"

Balls to that - make sci fi look like sci fi. One of the reasons this new uniform has really grown on me is that it's utterly shameless in being a retro-ish sci fi uniform.
 
What I want to know is what part of the new uniform had to be 3D-printed. Not doubting the producers, I just don't see it. Is it the shoulder pieces on the captain's uniform? The badge?
 
They probably 3D printed the badges if anything. These days it's potentially a cost effective way of doing a piece like that, with the rank detail.
 
Yep. Pins plus likely the boot detailing since they have deltas and that trim as well. Not sure where the idea that those deltas on the sides are 3d printed came from - I've read it all over the internet and it's an odd conclusion to jump through.

You can see they've stitched through the deltas so more logical to be embossedon fabric
 
I don't know why delta fabric is suddenly such a travesty when the 2009 movie did the same thing.
I recall people not liking it then either. But someone always doesn't like something.

To me it's just silly and tacky. It's also too self-referential. (I hate it in the modern Superman movie costumes also.) Imagine if James Bond showed up with a three-piece suit covered with little embossed 007 logos. :barf2:

And that's why Beyond has much better costumes than '09/ID. Compare this to this!
 
Oh I prefer the Beyond uniforms, too, they're smarter and fit better. I think they perfected updating the TOS uniforms with that. Although I also love the variety of other uniforms in the first two movies.
 
I agree the constant delta logos is a little tacky. But I'll deal I'm sure. Beyond uniforms were good. I think that while casually people wear things similar to The Cage/TOS, scientists/astronauts/explorers/peacekeeping forces do not. I think those three areas are where Star Trek should look for uniform inspiration.

I'm also a fan of multiple variants. Duty uniforms for day to day life on the ship would hardly be the same as what would be required on an away mission to a hostile environment. Crew working in engineering or on repair detail would not have the same clothing as a doctor.
 
Balls to that

Is that like "balls to the wall"?

- make sci fi look like sci fi. One of the reasons this new uniform has really grown on me is that it's utterly shameless in being a retro-ish sci fi uniform.

As a uniform by itself I agree. I like the spacyness and my design for a 2245 April era Trek was similar in many respects.

What I want to know is what part of the new uniform had to be 3D-printed. Not doubting the producers, I just don't see it. Is it the shoulder pieces on the captain's uniform? The badge?

'muh deltuhz!

I don't know why delta fabric is suddenly such a travesty when the 2009 movie did the same thing.

It was a travesty back in 2009 as well.
 
Would've liked to see 2009 n STID inis with OUT deltas...... but. They were good update of TOS unis

Beyond unis nice, have a cosplay top n they are very comfortable, allows for easy movement n light weight.
 
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