Thoughts on Discovery Starfleet Uniforms (Trailer Edition)

[GeekFilter]

In the Discoverse (to stay reasonably on topic) you see the same thing. On the Shenzhou bridge they look almost air force blue - but on the Discovery, Isaacs has a more brighter cobalt. so I just picked what I could get hold of without spending a fortune on samples.

For the graphic breakdown I just did an in-between. The Shenzhou bridge does make them appear more navy than they are but the one pic of Isaacs is also not with balanced properly so they aren't quite that cobalt/indigo either. I have a feeling in certain light they could almost look black. Cool for the show, setting mood, etc, a bit less so for trying to replicate the look ;-)

 

[jamestyler]

I wish people would just have fun sometimes and like you said we're just playing dress up anyhow. My grandparents would have found it MORE disturbing that we argued over details than just dressing up in the first place because "It's just a silly TV show!" (Yes, this was a real conversation I had!)

That's not surprising. The first proper argument I had with my mother was her reluctance to make an accurate Ghostbusters jumpsuit

LFCC? I'll look out for you

I'll be trading, so please do! Also always good to meet people

First time trading at LFCC so a little bit... tense. Largest I've had since the 'career' switch.

For the graphic breakdown I just did an in-between. The Shenzhou bridge does make them appear more navy than they are but the one pic of Isaacs is also not with balanced properly so they aren't quite that cobalt/indigo either. I have a feeling in certain light they could almost look black. Cool for the show, setting mood, etc, a bit less so for trying to replicate the look ;-)

To me the trailer was very Air Force Blue under dark lights. I dont know the actual shade but AF Blue has seeped into my vocabulary hah! Navy seemed way too dark. One of those annoying shades that looks differently under any lighting. Which is probably a good thing as it looks far more vibrant in the right light - and I'm hoping the Isaacs shit isn't too far off how it'll look on screen to offset the old and dark ship between new and shiny.

The Isaacs image is the one I've been working from though. I've done similar research to you (to the point I only looked at the actual article to see if you noticed something I did ) - but like that brighter vibe. I've been describing it as shamelessly sci fi and love how the brighter colour offsets the metallic trim.

Whatever shade it actually is though - I can't wait to wear it. I'll hate myself afterwards but it'll be a relief to finish to properly reign in an era of Discovery!

 

[uniderth]

Very few are OCD cosplay fanatics (we call those "stitch nazis" in the reenactment community) and are not terribly enjoyable company to be around when they point out all the micro-flaws on something that someone spent hundreds of hours to make.

I've never cosplayed but I imagine I would fall more in with the stitch Nazi crowd. Though I probably wouldn't vocalize my objections. I'd just mock you in my mind.

I guess the way I think about it is, if you're going to spend hundreds of hour making something, why not make it right?

 

[Nerys Myk]

guess the way I think about it is, if you're going to spend hundreds of hour making something, why not make it right?

Thats going to depend on your skill, the available materials and what source you have for the design.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I've never cosplayed but I imagine I would fall more in with the stitch Nazi crowd. Though I probably wouldn't vocalize my objections. I'd just mock you in my mind.

I guess the way I think about it is, if you're going to spend hundreds of hour making something, why not make it right?

Because not even the people who make the studio costumes can make them "right" for the reasons that several of us stated earlier. Varying dye batches, studio lighting, skill of person putting them together, etc.

One can do their best to get it close if that's their goal, but to ridicule such effort because the perception of screen-accuracy may also vary drastically from person to person, based on a number of unpredictability subjective parameters, why should anyone feel the need to look down and mock their nose at another's work? Other than to be an insufferably superior shit-stick, of course.

 

[jamestyler]

Because not even the people who make the studio costumes can make them "right" for the reasons that several of us stated earlier. Varying dye batches, studio lighting, skill of person putting them together, etc.

I'm suddenly reminded of Sisko's first grey-shouldered uniform that didn't look like anything else anyone wore before, during or after the episode!

 

[Jesse1066]

I'm suddenly reminded of Sisko's first grey-shouldered uniform that didn't look like anything else anyone wore before, during or after the episode!

Were the shoulders different from later episodes or was the combadge just in the wrong place?

 

[uniderth]

Because not even the people who make the studio costumes can make them "right" for the reasons that several of us stated earlier. Varying dye batches, studio lighting, skill of person putting them together, etc.

One can do their best to get it close if that's their goal, but to ridicule such effort because the perception of screen-accuracy may also vary drastically from person to person, based on a number of unpredictability subjective parameters, why should anyone feel the need to look down and mock their nose at another's work? Other than to be an insufferably superior shit-stick, of course.

No doubt. But you can objectively stat that for example the Discovery uniform referenced on the previous page, only vaguely resembles the screen used discovery uniform.

I have a Kirk era uniform that I wear for Halloween and I'm constantly bothered by all the inaccuracies. Granted, there is no such thing as a "one true" uniform. But there is a realm of similarity in which a uniform can be said to be a faithful recreation of screen used uniforms. I don't consider Halloween dress up cosplay, but that vague sense of being "in character" is severely limited by the accuracy of the costume I'm wearing. I suppose I also project that on others. How can you be representing a character when your costume doesn't even look like a "real" one.

It's the same with overweight people dressing up and fit characters. Just no. Either get into shape or find a character that has a similar body shape as you. There was no 250 lb. Boba Fett.

I know the proper response is to jump all over me for being an insensitive a$$hole. But while I would never say this directly to someone, this is whats going through my mind. Though, it's not a standard that I'm unwilling to judge myself by either.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Different strokes for different folks then.

 

[mattyhugh]

No doubt. But you can objectively stat that for example the Discovery uniform referenced on the previous page, only vaguely resembles the screen used discovery uniform.

I have a Kirk era uniform that I wear for Halloween and I'm constantly bothered by all the inaccuracies. Granted, there is no such thing as a "one true" uniform. But there is a realm of similarity in which a uniform can be said to be a faithful recreation of screen used uniforms. I don't consider Halloween dress up cosplay, but that vague sense of being "in character" is severely limited by the accuracy of the costume I'm wearing. I suppose I also project that on others. How can you be representing a character when your costume doesn't even look like a "real" one.

It's the same with overweight people dressing up and fit characters. Just no. Either get into shape or find a character that has a similar body shape as you. There was no 250 lb. Boba Fett.

I know the proper response is to jump all over me for being an insensitive a$$hole. But while I would never say this directly to someone, this is whats going through my mind. Though, it's not a standard that I'm unwilling to judge myself by either.

Make Cosplay Great Again....

 

[fireproof78]

Different strokes for different folks then.

Fandom in a nutshell.

 

[jamestyler]

Were the shoulders different from later episodes or was the combadge just in the wrong place?

Both. It was cut completely differently; straight collar, no cuff detailing.... I don't know why it was different and didn't match the rest, but I always assumed whoever was given the task of his uniform ended up working on assumptions. They'd seen the waistcoat and did the rest based on what they thought it was supposed to look like instead of following what everyone else was doing.

Much like the cosplayer thing of making what they see to be right. If someone on the production staff could make that error, I don't see why someone with a home made costume should be held up to professional standards.

 

[Horizons96]

Here it is.

Even for someone who loves a bit of Starfleet delta, the amount seen in the DSC uniforms is too much.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Here it is.

Looks like he's cosplaying as himself.

Even for someone who loves a bit of Starfleet delta, the amount seen in the DSC uniforms is too much.

Agreed.

 

[jamestyler]

Here it is.

Yep - and here, which has more of the differences (cuffs, waistband etc). Always struck me as an odd one, but I have always assumed whoever made it was left to their own devices without having the pattern/information they needed.

even when they did get it 'right', Sisko's uniform was cut differently from Picards. When people ask me to make them a screen accurate uniform in that style, there's about a dozen things I have to ask them to figure out what version they mean, since everyone had their own version.

No doubt. But you can objectively stat that for example the Discovery uniform referenced on the previous page, only vaguely resembles the screen used discovery uniform.

I have a Kirk era uniform that I wear for Halloween and I'm constantly bothered by all the inaccuracies. Granted, there is no such thing as a "one true" uniform. But there is a realm of similarity in which a uniform can be said to be a faithful recreation of screen used uniforms. I don't consider Halloween dress up cosplay, but that vague sense of being "in character" is severely limited by the accuracy of the costume I'm wearing. I suppose I also project that on others. How can you be representing a character when your costume doesn't even look like a "real" one.

It's the same with overweight people dressing up and fit characters. Just no. Either get into shape or find a character that has a similar body shape as you. There was no 250 lb. Boba Fett.

I know the proper response is to jump all over me for being an insensitive a$$hole. But while I would never say this directly to someone, this is whats going through my mind. Though, it's not a standard that I'm unwilling to judge myself by either.

What you've done there though is apply your standards to someone else. You might be bothered by little inaccuracies - someone else might be excited just to have something - anything - close enough.

I've seen TNG outfits done with coloured shirts and a sharpie. Is that good enough for me? No. But clearly it's good enough for them. And we're all just people playing dress up anyway.

The overweight one though... that's a bit far. There may not be a 250 Bobba Fett, but there's sute as shit a 250 Bobba Fett fan who feels a little bit better for eight hours in his (insert costume here -I don't know who Bobba Fett is).

Someone suggested my wife was too 'fat' for her costume at a con. She'd just had a baby, was feeling a little unconfident as it was and the 'gentleman' was quite rightly made to feel like the petty little child he was.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

I saw this today 3 uniforms
Captain's uniform command, Duty Uniform,
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888460981185134592
check out the white one! very cool.

Starfleet Tactical Jumpsuit and vest
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888493074556477440

4 badges
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888457589305913344

Sarek - Vulcan Ambassador
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888499097065340928

phasers /"firearms"
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888491552397344771

captain's chair with flat panel displays built-in to arms
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888488031371411460

via

The event, being held at the Michael J. Wolf Fine Arts Gallery in the Gaslamp District, allows fans to get up close and personal with the props, costumes and concept art from the forthcoming series.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...ibit-reveals-props-costumes-comic-con-1023530

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I saw this today 3 uniforms
Captain's uniform command, Duty Uniform,
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888460981185134592
check out the white one! very cool.

Starfleet Tactical Jumpsuit and vest
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888493074556477440

4 badges
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888457589305913344

Sarek - Vulcan Ambassador
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888499097065340928

phasers /"firearms"
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888491552397344771

captain's chair with flat panel displays built-in to arms
https://twitter.com/ChrisHayner/status/888488031371411460

via

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...ibit-reveals-props-costumes-comic-con-1023530

That's very helpful. You should also post it here also https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-discovery-uniforms.287882/ if you haven't already. @Rekkert is drawing a uniform infographic and should find it useful.

 

[Michael]

“Mudd's costume is inspired by Adam Ant.” Ha, nice!

 

[Bob Karo]

I'm looking forward to this fad of using tiny repeating symbols from a franchise as "texture" to die off. I still think it look ridiculous.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, the pattern under the arms is the only thing I dislike on the uniform.