Age of Modern Astronauts vs. Military Personnel and How that Relates to Starship Personnel
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They also thought he had always been bald, in spite of Tapestry showing us otherwise.
The general impression I get with the TWOK uniforms is that the designers put a lot of time and effort into designing a complex system of ranks and departments, all of which was then completely ignored in the actual films.
Certainly by the time we get to TUC it appears that new characters are just being kitted with whatever they could find to fit the actors, regardless of whether it made any sense.
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I'm okay with him being bald. It isn't too far fetched to assume he had shaved his head at the time the photo was taken for any number of reasons, lost bet, initiation thing, an experiment, whatever.
I think they just thought that most of the audience would be too dumb to recognize him. They may have been right, but I hope not.
#Tomhardylooksbetterwithhair
The funny thing is, the Nemesis script actually specifies Shinzon was supposed to have flowing long hair, and the photo of Cadet Picard was meant to have shorter hair. The problem is Tom Hardy didn't have enough time after filming Black Hawk Down (a movie he had to shave his head for) to grow flowing long hair for Nemesis, so Shinzon ended up bald, and by extension so did Cadet Picard.
Mudd shouldn't be a privateer, they should be extinct in the era of TOS. And Mudd never behaved like a privateer in any episode I saw. Most of the important naval powers signed a treaty back in the 1850s banning the use of privateers in war. A privateer is likely to be executed as a pirate if caught. So in the present time there are very few, if any, privateers on modern oceans.
Agreed. There's very little point in showing her if that wasn't Rand. The VOY episode "Flashback" gives her a line about how she took three years to make Ensign, so apparently she went the officer route at some point.
The problem with the being Rand, is that if we accept that it is (and given that it's only appearance by GLW that might not be, it makes sense), then they screwed up the uniform as she's wearing a Command Division Commander's uniform, whereas later she wears Science Division uniform and either LTJG or LTCDR insignia (given the greater promence of Rand in Flashback I'd go for the latter). Logically, if she was supposed to be Rand, then she should have been an ensign (based on TUC) or some sort of LT (based on Flashback).
I'm not following your logic there. If she was transporter chief in TMP, why would she only be an ensign by the time of TSFS?
And I personally would go with TUC over "Flashback," since the VOY episode takes place in Tuvok's faulty memory and doesn't get details like the timeframe of TUC correct. Heck, they didn't even notice that Valtane was alive & well at the end of the movie!
Of course if there are countless alternate universes branching off all the time, the different movies and episodes could be from alternate universes where Rand is promoted at different rates.
The alternate universe of TUC is one were Rand is only a Lieutenant junior grade and Valtane survives. The similar alternate universe of "Flashback" is one where Rand is already a lieutenant commander (two more promotions) and Valtane dies. Both happen after an alternate universe version of TSFS which is similar to the movie TSFS but Rand has a much slower promotion rate than in the movie TSFS. The movie TSFS is in an alternate universe where Rand is promoted much faster, being a full commander (three more promotions) years earlier than TUC and "Flashback".
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Too bad the creators of Nemesis never heard of that obscure new invention called wigs.
Because per TMP and TUC she's a Chief Petty Officer in the 2270s and a LTJG (2nd commissioned rank) up to twenty years later on the Excelsior. Following that logic she should be either a Cadet/Midshipman or Ensign in Wrath of Khan as it sits in the midpoint between the two.
On the other hand, if she is a LTCDR on the Excelsior in the 90s, then it would be plausible for her to be LTJG in the 80s.
Either way, assuming that all the movies and TNG+ are in the same continuity then she couldn't be a full commander in the 80s.
I'd give utmost credence and significance to the fact that the "Commander" stint is the only time GLW wears red curly hair. People don't go red and curly on a lark - if they do, there's no going back.
So this must instead be the successful kid sister who makes Janice so insecure and causes her to fumble the transporter controls and whatnot.
Timo Saloniemi
So this must instead be the successful kid sister who makes Janice so insecure and causes her to fumble the transporter controls and whatnot.
Timo Saloniemi
You probably meant that as a joke, but I'd actually see that as distinctly possible. After all, Rand joined the Fleet prior to 2266 and spent between four and thirteen years as an enlisted before going for officer training. So if Janice had a twin sister who went officer, then by 2266 then she could have twenty years service and sixteen years 'fleet time' which seems about right for a Commander.
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