Year of Hell
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1. The Temporal Torpedo codes are exactly the same as from Before and After.
2. Before it all went to hell behind the camera, Year of Hell was supposed to be the cliff hanging bridge between Season three and four where Kes was supposed to SHINE!
2. Before it all went to hell behind the camera, Year of Hell was supposed to be the cliff hanging bridge between Season three and four where Kes was supposed to SHINE!
Even the lighting is 'dark'.
Is it wrong to be watching Voyager and reporting back on your laptop to a Voyager forum?
Tuvok and Seven working together and then boom.
Chakotay .. okay he looks sexy with that moustache/beard thing going on giving Janeway the watch. May 20 her birthday, he looked so hurt.
I never really picked up on the fact that Tuvok was shielding Seven when he lost his sight.
Is it wrong to be watching Voyager and reporting back on your laptop to a Voyager forum?
Tuvok and Seven working together and then boom.
Chakotay .. okay he looks sexy with that moustache/beard thing going on giving Janeway the watch. May 20 her birthday, he looked so hurt.
I never really picked up on the fact that Tuvok was shielding Seven when he lost his sight.
Chakotay signed on with Anorax, his moral antithesis, to make the best of a terrible situation.
He's a good team player.
Paris folded his arms and held his breath because he couldn't get his own way.
What a human wort.
In microcosm, compare this to Caretaker.
An inflexiable Starfleet crew would not have been subordinate to a Maquis crew, if the Val Jean had survived the battle with the Kazon, instead of Voyager.
He's a good team player.
Paris folded his arms and held his breath because he couldn't get his own way.
What a human wort.
In microcosm, compare this to Caretaker.
An inflexiable Starfleet crew would not have been subordinate to a Maquis crew, if the Val Jean had survived the battle with the Kazon, instead of Voyager.
Year of Hell with Seven only happened because First contact happened.
The tourist 24st century movie Borg and their interplexing beacon, forwarding a cheat sheet to their distant 21st century ancestors sponsored the Timeline where Seven joined Voyager's crew.
In a more original timeline, but not completely original (Immortal Anorax had already made thousands of attempts to reset the timeline over the course of the last 200 (relative )years) timeline without the cheat sheet, Anorax had destroyed the Borg, or chased them off, so that Scorpion never happened when we know it should of have, as Kes looked out a port hole at the lack of certain death and adventure, giftless.
The tourist 24st century movie Borg and their interplexing beacon, forwarding a cheat sheet to their distant 21st century ancestors sponsored the Timeline where Seven joined Voyager's crew.
In a more original timeline, but not completely original (Immortal Anorax had already made thousands of attempts to reset the timeline over the course of the last 200 (relative )years) timeline without the cheat sheet, Anorax had destroyed the Borg, or chased them off, so that Scorpion never happened when we know it should of have, as Kes looked out a port hole at the lack of certain death and adventure, giftless.
I hate that this episode Kes is wiped from memory plus the worst ever use of the reset button in the entire series, the ship should've emerged from it barely holding together and seeing them relying on the bridges they built to get the ship fully operational again--forming a new mini-Federation in the middle of the DQ.
So many missed opportunity in this series
So many missed opportunity in this series
With replicators, full power, a full crew, and a space dock/Class M Planet, it wouldn't take Starfleet Engineers longer than a week to get Voyager to fully operational fighting trim, if time hadn't folded back on itself.
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Well Kes did warn Janeway in Before and After.. so there must have been a different expectation of Year of Hell. In many ways Seven slotted into the gaps Kes left. Janeways 'child', The Doctor's crush, Tuvok's friend.
I don't entirely enjoy Scorpion because I like Species 8472 too much, but that's the catch. That is where they were introduced.
I don't entirely enjoy Scorpion because I like Species 8472 too much, but that's the catch. That is where they were introduced.
One of Trek's best two parters. Minus the reset button ending. Janeway's little heart to heart with Tuvok at the end about the ship pulled on the emotional chords a bit. Then the ending when Voyager gasps her last breath...before the ultimate FU to Annorax. Good times.
Did they?
Anorax had been messing with time for 200 hundred years.
Sometimes the universe was a place where Kes said "The Krenim are assholes, we should go around them (eventually)" and other times where Before and After never happened, Janeway did not know that the Krenim were assholes, and assumed that as God's gift, that she would prevail and dominate.
In every version of the universe (thousands of versions of the universe) where Janeway did not invent temporal shields, Anorax would eventually say "Where the #### is my wife? Screw it, roll the dice again" time was changed, and every thing was different.
I recently watched the SFDebris review of that, with his idea of having some poor, dumb, goldshirt remembering all of the events that happened in the alternate timeline. It made me think of Martha Jones at the end of Season 3 of Doctor Who, and her family's own year of hell.
There was no Borg in Before and After.
The Borg attacked 8472.
No Borg, no 8472 in Voyager's universe.
The Borg attacked 8472.
No Borg, no 8472 in Voyager's universe.
To me, the best thing about this ep (as always) was Janeway:
Although, of course, the other characters had something to contribute to the story:
Although, of course, the other characters had something to contribute to the story:
Yes but just because the Borg didn't attack 8472 could they not still be existing in fluid space? The attack exposed them not created them.
V'Ger is still heading towards Earth in the Kelvin Universe.
Maybe Ambassador Spock had a word with Kelvin Spock about that, and maybe he didn't.
Maybe Ambassador Spock had a word with Kelvin Spock about that, and maybe he didn't.
Haven't you seen the episode where it's revealed that 8472 are nice?
In the Before and After timeline, 8472 are nice guys who do not give a shit about Janeway's universe, which they are likely unaware of, because they were never attacked by the Borg, because the Borg Queen never went back to 2064 to give her species an unfair a leg up.
In the Before and After timeline, 8472 are nice guys who do not give a shit about Janeway's universe, which they are likely unaware of, because they were never attacked by the Borg, because the Borg Queen never went back to 2064 to give her species an unfair a leg up.
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I don't see how Year of Hell fits with Before and After. Why didn't anyone remember Kes' warnings or the torpedo codes? How did the Year of Hell still happen if, presumably, the original timeline Kes saw in Before and After didn't have her using her mental powers to skip Voyager ahead 9,500 light-years? How come there was no mention of the borg in Before and After? How did the events of Before and After change history in all of these ways?
The obvious explanation is that the writers didn't plan it in advance. Everything make much more sense if you just edit out Before and After.
The obvious explanation is that the writers didn't plan it in advance. Everything make much more sense if you just edit out Before and After.
