The Doctor Falls.... (Spoilers)
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Yeah, I think that will be Missy, since he's had an oath/pledge involving her as a big plot point, and he really hasn't made any kind of formal pledge related to Bill. I want it to be Bill (not because I dislike the character or anything, she's a pretty good companion, but I'd like to see a companion without a happy ending), but I'm thinking it is more likely not to be her.
That's true and would be interesting . Or how about this for over the top, Simms regenerates into Missy and at almost the same time the current Missy regenerates into the next Master/Missy. LOL
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Of course the publicity is all teasing a "major death that will change the show for ever" in the finale - yeah, right. Bill? They killed the companion for a couple of episodes last season. Missy/the Master? Killed half the time the character appears. The Doctor? We know he's in the Xmas Special, and also that he'll only regenerate... Nardole? Who gives a shit. So, basically, irrelevant hyperbole from the get-go on that front.
Of course the publicity is all teasing a "major death that will change the show for ever" in the finale - yeah, right. Bill? They killed the companion for a couple of episodes last season. Missy/the Master? Killed half the time the character appears. The Doctor? We know he's in the Xmas Special, and also that he'll only regenerate... Nardole? Who gives a shit. So, basically, irrelevant hyperbole from the get-go on that front.
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It's a Moffat episode, anyone killed will be brought back by the end anyway.
If I was Moffat, and I'm on my way out the door, that expectation is exactly why I'd kill Bill (heh heh) beyond all hope of recovery, and have it all be the Doctor's fault. Break ALL my own rules, subvert my own style. One last mind****ing twist to send the Doctor, and the audience, screaming over the edge. Leave them awaiting the next fellow with a reminder: On this show, anything can happen. ANYTHING.
In seven years, he's mired the show in such a formulaic rut I've forgotten this is a show where anything can supposedly happen.
Is this how Bill gets written out?
If you look closely at her in the BBC America trailer you can see the conversion process is already underway.
Part of me wants to say, "Moffat would never do that" but another part of me wants to say, "If Capaldi said he wanted to play a companion death, then Moffat would grit his teeth and write it." But then, Capaldi got to play "the Doctor mourns after a companion death" in Series 9, even though that death was sort of cheated by Moffat a few episodes later.
Ben Cook was praising the episode -- and Moffat's genius -- on Twitter earlier today.
I work in the comics industry, so "irrelevant hyperbole" is my stock in trade.
The only "major death that will change the show for ever" that would actually accomplish that would be the TARDIS' death/destruction. (I have no idea if Lawrence Miles still watches the show, but his reaction if Moffat did something like that would be epic.)
Or... the Doctor actually dies, and the Master, remembering what he said in "The Five Doctors" -- "A universe without the Doctor scarcely bears thinking of" -- takes the Doctor's place. (And Capaldi could appear at Christmas as something like The Watcher, finally merging with the Master in a regeneration.) That would be interesting, because we'd have a "Doctor" who didn't know certain things, making everything that was old new again, trying to reform himself to become the person he thinks the universe needs. While this would be an interesting development to me, and perhaps many others, it's undoubtedly a step too far for Moffat's bosses.
A thought I've been musing, what if we actually do see the Doctor regenerate and actually do see the new Doctor? Capaldi and the new Doctor then work together for the episode.
I know, it seems very unlikely, but it's about the only thing I can think of which would be truly shocking. And it would tie into to those reports about Moffat and Chibnall coordinating together to create a unique regeneration that's never been done before.
I know, it seems very unlikely, but it's about the only thing I can think of which would be truly shocking. And it would tie into to those reports about Moffat and Chibnall coordinating together to create a unique regeneration that's never been done before.
^ That would be cool. I doubt they could keep that secret, but who knows. Maybe that's Moffat's last twist. With the screeners out already, you'd expect that to be leaked soon. Unless that's the super secret scene that's been redacted revealing who the next Doctor is.
It would be really cool if they really kept the secret of the 13th Doctor casting up until Episode 12... however, wouldn't that be stealing the spotlight from Capaldi? Like he doesn't get a chance to shine in his own final story.
Is this how Bill gets written out?
If you look closely at her in the BBC America trailer you can see the conversion process is already underway.
That'd be so hugely shocking and original that its only two seasons since they did it, and to the last black companion too..
Laser screwdriver! LASER SCREWDRIVER!!!
Also, I'm still of the opinion that by the end of the story, we will see one of the Masters KILL the other one when whatever their scheme is fails. Or possibly just because one finds the other too annoying.
In any case, pretty sure SOMEONE's a-regenerating in two weeks.
Mark
Also, I'm still of the opinion that by the end of the story, we will see one of the Masters KILL the other one when whatever their scheme is fails. Or possibly just because one finds the other too annoying.
In any case, pretty sure SOMEONE's a-regenerating in two weeks.
Mark
About the only thing that might work well would be if Missy regenerates into Derek Jacobi - and that would contradict Yana having been found as a child in Utopia anyway....
Well, considering Derek Jacobi is reprising the role for Big Finish, that contradiction is already happening (simple solution: false memory). That being said, if Big Finish is allowed to use him for his Master, it's unlikely he's returning to the show. But you never know...
But that never happened. It was his FOB watches' back story for the human Yana. (Like 10 was a teacher when he FOB'd out).
The only thing we know for a fact is Yana worked several years with bug girl, as admitted by the Master himself, before he zapped bug girl with the electric cable in Utopia. So one guesses he could have been Yana 20 years or so at least.
What's scary is that I was thinking something along those lines as well.. In my own thoughts, I wondered how cool would it be to have a "Two Doctors" episode, featuring the next doctor with the current.. Kind of like that Tennant episode, but with an actual Doctor and not just a guy who thinks he's the Doctor... Then a couple of season's in with the new Doctor, we can bring back Capaldi and do the same episode, but this time from the new Doctor's perspective... Timey Whimey...