Thoughts on Discovery Starfleet Uniforms (Trailer Edition)
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Awful and dull. Drab and boring. Talk about dreary.
Star Trek is fiction. In other words, it's not a historical documentary. It's not a record of events that happened It's television for fucks sake!
That means, that the producers can: A) do whatever the hell they want with the new show, including making Kirk Spock's half-brother from his mothers side and making Saavek Mcoy's long lost daughter.
That also means you can either A) watch it or B) don't watch it (or C) bitch about it not being "true canon" on the internet)
The uniforms and equipment make no sense continuity wise.
It was stated for a fact that the events of The Cage took place 13 years before TOS.
This series supposedly takes place 10 years before TOS.
The events of WNMHGB take place a few months before the events of main TOS.
So, in a short time span, we go from:
It was stated for a fact that the events of The Cage took place 13 years before TOS.
This series supposedly takes place 10 years before TOS.
The events of WNMHGB take place a few months before the events of main TOS.
So, in a short time span, we go from:
- The Cage-style uniforms and equipment (sweaters, rank braids, see-thru communicators)
- Discovery-style uniforms and equipment (nylon-jackets, patches with the rank, gold and black plastic comms)
- Back to The Cage-style uniforms and equipment in WNM (sweaters, braids, see-thru comms)
- TOS uniforms and equipment.
So? Ignore the cage uniforms , they are from a failed plot of a 1960's TV show. They are reflections of the 1960's styling, there is zero reason to use them or even the TOS style uniforms really.
Stylistically, you should be in the same ballpark, if you are truly part of the Prime timeline. It would be tough to take seriously material that takes place between Superman and Superman II, where the Superman suit, Metropolis, the styles and technology are completely different from what came before and what came after.
That Discovery is making its own way isn't a deal breaker for me, I can simply treat it as a reboot, which Star Trek generally really needs, in my opinion. I just wished they were brave enough to do an actual reboot. One where we can match Star Trek up with the real world and technology without having to squint and make excuses for why things are different.
Everyone's Mileage May Vary...
EDIT: And you really can't ignore "The Cage" because it is canon due to its inclusion in "The Menagerie".
I can and have indeed ignored the look of the cage, the events are canon, the style and look used in a TV show changes all the time. This is not a setting reboot, it is a style reboot just like TMP was a massive style reboot. The only reason to make it look like a 1960's TV show it to make a small ever shrinking group of die hard fan boys happy. There are dozens of reasons not to do this, chief among them is the long term success of the series.
Who exactly do you think they're pointing the marketing at with the tagline: "ten years before Kirk and Spock"?
Whilst I do not really like these uniforms and I do wish that the show would have opted for slightly more TOS inspired look, ignoring the Cage is not a big deal. It is just one episode. Similarly I'd expect producers to ignore various future uniforms we have seen once in a while if there ever would be a post-Nemesis Trek show. If this show ever gets to the proper TOS period and the uniforms still won't look anything like in TOS, then I'd be annoyed (JJ style is close enough for me.)
Though It would be a nice touch if these Discovery uniforms would have the Cage inspired undershirts!
Though It would be a nice touch if these Discovery uniforms would have the Cage inspired undershirts!
Everyone who has ever heard of star trek ever knows those names. Even people who have never seen the TOS knows those names, they are forever bound to trek. They are not there to drawl in the diehards who were never , ever going to be happy anyhow.
The only way I can see this working out is if they meant that it takes place 10 years before TOS, which includes The Cage. Therefore, it takes place in the 2240s.
Pretty sure they have already gave the years as the 50's. I think you guys are gonna have to accept the 1960's cage look has been retconned out.
I have consistently maintained, and I still maintain, that a look inspired by sleek, clean-lined '60s modernism (while not being exactly like TOS) could have been a big hit, considering the huge popularity of Mad Men and everybody now clamoring to do their interior decorating in a style highly reminiscent of that aesthetic.
I'm not going to ignore anything from "The Cage." Starfleet is a big organization, and there is room for variety in different branches of the service. There's no reason different uniforms and ship exterior and interior designs can't coexist in the same timeframe. Even during Kirk's five-year mission, the crew of the Antares (whether actually Starfleet or possibly some kind of merchant marine) was still using Cage-type uniforms. So of course they really existed in-universe. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to try to retcon them out of existence.
For ST-DIS, I actually wish they had used USS Kelvin-type uniforms as a precursor to TOS.
Kor
I'm not going to ignore anything from "The Cage." Starfleet is a big organization, and there is room for variety in different branches of the service. There's no reason different uniforms and ship exterior and interior designs can't coexist in the same timeframe. Even during Kirk's five-year mission, the crew of the Antares (whether actually Starfleet or possibly some kind of merchant marine) was still using Cage-type uniforms. So of course they really existed in-universe. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to try to retcon them out of existence.
For ST-DIS, I actually wish they had used USS Kelvin-type uniforms as a precursor to TOS.
Kor
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Uniform choices ≠ pivotal historical events.
Hell, even the details of pivotal historical events have been tweaked to fit a new Trek production while still honoring the overall canon by acknowledging the same general historical events took place.
I don't think they have, no. At least I can't remember them be so specific.
Exactly. Also what makes them go from Yellow and Blue uniforms---to discovery Armour---than back to simple shirts Yellow,Blue and later the Addition of Red???? Again I'm not saying put them in velour shirts. But simple color coded shirts. Something that looks like they were actually trying to honor the asthetics. That's something Abrahms Trek got right were the look of the uniforms??
I'm going to laugh so hard if it turns out the Discovery crew is wearing the classic colors on whatever they're wearing underneath the jacket.
First revealed in a scene featuring Crewman Ashton Kutcher.
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