Consolidated Trailer Thread

[Mr. Nova]

I think the bridge in "The Cage" should be changed to fit the aesthetic of Discovery, if we ever see it. What we see in Discovery is what Star Trek looks like now.

I know that's a funny thing to hear from someone who used to moderate the TOS Forum for a few years, but it's what I think.

They don't look like contemporaries to me. Before, I could say, well TOS looked this way and ENT looks that way or TNG looks this way because they didn't take place in the same time. But now, in this case, not so much. When they take place at the same time, it doesn't visually mesh to me.

Not even just speaking as a fan. In general. If I'm Tim Buck Two off the street, and you sit me down to watch Discovery and you show me the bridge from "The Cage", mixed in with it, I'd look at the bridge from "The Cage", and be like "What the Hell is this?"

I'm not saying someone else can't think something else, but -- to me -- I'm not going to say my opinion is something it isn't.

Agreed. i, too would like to see what the Enterprise would look like from these same designers and artists. Not a radical change, but one that reflects modern design sensibilities. More details and more muted colors. Don't see why designs can't evolve over time as other franchises do, at least visually. And yes, I watched first-run TOS in 1966.

 

[Mr. Nova]

In the Reeves-Stevevens novel Federation, it was said that the delta represents the warp field geometry, with the star or whatever being the ship inside the warp field.

We trek fans would rather die than have plot holes!

I kind of liked that explanation.

 

[Michael]

Having now seen more online reactions to the trailer, I gotta say I'm really taken aback by a lot of fans' words. Why are so many of them so hung up about the visuals and fictional timelines? Everything is about how the uniforms look wrong, how the Klingons look wrong, how it's “too much like JJTrek”, too dark, too flashy and too modern. And it seems to be sooo important to many, how this fits into the prime timeline, it's not even funny anymore.

I guess it's okay to care about the look and timeline. Nothing wrong with that per se. People who did like the trailer sure mention how they like the set design, uniforms, ships, effects, etc. But how can it be such a deciding factor is what I want to know. Are the look and the timeline the only thing that makes you like the show?

I've already seen people argue that “this isn't Star Trek”, which is such a head-scratcher. I'm really reminded of the beginning of Enterprise and the time we saw the first pictures of Star Trek (2009), when so many people decided that this isn't Star Trek anymore, as if they were the arbiters of what is and isn't Trek.

The prospect of new, thoughtful and progressive stories in the Star Trek universe and new fascinating characters – that's what I want from Discovery. The day I noticed that's not what I'm going to get is the day I'm deciding not to like the show. Things like the look and effects are merely window dressing. They are not unimportant, but they are not the main thing.

 

[Mr. Nova]

True, but the FX shots come last. So we don't know the final ratio of dialogue to pew-pew.

47%.

 

[fireproof78]

Having now seen more online reactions to the trailer, I gotta say I'm really taken aback by a lot of fans' words. Why are so many of them so hung up about the visuals and fictional timelines? Everything is about how the uniforms look wrong, how the Klingons look wrong, how it's “too much like JJTrek”, too dark, too flashy and too modern. And it seems to be sooo important to many, how this fits into the prime timeline, it's not even funny anymore.

I guess it's okay to care about the look and timeline. Nothing wrong with that per se. People who did like the trailer sure mention how they like the set design, uniforms, ships, effects, etc. But how can it be such a deciding factor is what I want to know. Are the look and the timeline the only thing that makes you like the show?

I've already seen people argue that “this isn't Star Trek”, which is such a head-scratcher. I'm really reminded of the beginning of Enterprise and the time we saw the first pictures of Star Trek (2009), when so many people decided that this isn't Star Trek anymore, as if they were the arbiters of what is and isn't Trek.

The prospect of new, thoughtful and progressive stories in the Star Trek universe and new fascinating characters – that's what I want from Discovery. The day I noticed that's not what I'm going to get is the day I'm deciding not to like the show. Things like the look and effects are merely window dressing. They are not unimportant, but they are not the main thing.

This is how I felt about ST 09 going forward. It's all Star Trek.

 

[M-Red]

Just saw the trailer for the first time. After watching it, I'm much more excited for this series.

I wasn't happy about the prequel decision (again) but it looks excellent. This show will have a lot of world-building, and the characters are already more interesting than I anticipated.

I'm pumped again...can't wait!

 

[flandry84]

Perhaps if they hadn't included that "Before Kirk.." caption.
Whose that caption intended for?All it does if flame Trekkies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Perhaps if they hadn't included that "Before Kirk.." caption.
Whose that caption intended for?All it does if flame Trekkies.

It's just some copy that invokes the names of two of the franchises most popular characters. Basic advertising. Why get inflamed?

 

[Refuge]

Nah .. it is still too dark.

 

[Kor]

I saw the trailer a couple days after it was released.

I'm whelmed.

I mean, it looks like a decent show... but it just didn't painfully seize me by the whatsis and traumatically shake me to my very core like I was hoping. Knowhatimsayin?

Kor

 

[shapeshifter]

Perhaps if they hadn't included that "Before Kirk.." caption.
Whose that caption intended for?All it does if flame Trekkies.

Imagine if Discovery is a stealth reboot - (Fuller did mention future plans for the franchise) and that line is foreshadowing a TOS reboot when Discovery is finished. Many Shuvs and Zuuls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

 

[Long Syntax]

Having now seen more online reactions to the trailer, I gotta say I'm really taken aback by a lot of fans' words. Why are so many of them so hung up about the visuals and fictional timelines? Everything is about how the uniforms look wrong, how the Klingons look wrong, how it's “too much like JJTrek”, too dark, too flashy and too modern. And it seems to be sooo important to many, how this fits into the prime timeline, it's not even funny anymore.

I guess it's okay to care about the look and timeline. Nothing wrong with that per se. People who did like the trailer sure mention how they like the set design, uniforms, ships, effects, etc. But how can it be such a deciding factor is what I want to know. Are the look and the timeline the only thing that makes you like the show?

I've already seen people argue that “this isn't Star Trek”, which is such a head-scratcher. I'm really reminded of the beginning of Enterprise and the time we saw the first pictures of Star Trek (2009), when so many people decided that this isn't Star Trek anymore, as if they were the arbiters of what is and isn't Trek.

The prospect of new, thoughtful and progressive stories in the Star Trek universe and new fascinating characters – that's what I want from Discovery. The day I noticed that's not what I'm going to get is the day I'm deciding not to like the show. Things like the look and effects are merely window dressing. They are not unimportant, but they are not the main thing.

Yes, I agree. I felt this way during the ENT years. There are some that hold the view that it's not THEIR ST... it doesn't match something, or it doesn't look right, etc. It can't look like 60's Trek - it would be absurd and only a handful of folks would watch it. If you used the same aesthetics for the Klingons as TNG you'd have people calling them turtle heads. Allow the show to grow a little because if you don't you'll be, at least in a small part, responsible for the demise of ST for at least the next 10 years again. Learn from the past folks - nobody gets everything they want.

 

[cultcross]

it just didn't painfully seize me by the whatsis and traumatically shake me to my very core like I was hoping. Knowhatimsayin?

Show us on the doll where Discovery didn't touch you...

 

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[Jedman67]

Show us on the doll where Discovery didn't touch you...

 

[Vger23]

Having now seen more online reactions to the trailer, I gotta say I'm really taken aback by a lot of fans' words. Why are so many of them so hung up about the visuals and fictional timelines? Everything is about how the uniforms look wrong, how the Klingons look wrong, how it's “too much like JJTrek”, too dark, too flashy and too modern. And it seems to be sooo important to many, how this fits into the prime timeline, it's not even funny anymore.

The reason is that lots of fans (not me) need to feel like this is a REAL interconnected universe for them to enjoy it. It has stopped being about the stories and characters, and it is more about the universe, the aesthetics, the continuity and the production design. Sad, but undeniably true.

I mean, seriously, there are "fans" who are saying they won't watch the show because the shipboard lighting levels are too dark. I'm going to type that again...

There are fans who are saying they won't watch the show because the shipboard lighting levels are too dark.

These are the types of people the studios and networks are trying to figure out- but will never be able to appease. Those are the people who will drive the franchise into the ground...because if you can't make the universe perfect for them...they'd rather see it burned to the ground. Look no further than Fall of 1987 and May of 2009 for further evidence.

We have met the enemy...and it is us.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Some fans just take the whole ownership thing too far. They think anybody who creates stuff in "their" franchise needs to pass their fan test and be as obsessed with every detail as they are.
Creators are seen as outsiders.

 

[Vger23]

Some fans just take the whole ownership thing too far. They think anybody who creates stuff in "their" franchise needs to pass their fan test and be as obsessed with every detail as they are.
Creators are seen as outsiders.

Agreed...

Which is sad, because if you look at the greatest inflection points of the franchise

1. TMP in 1979
2. TNG in 1987
3. nuTrek in 2009

All gave the franchise a new, solid "shot in the arm" that it desperately needed and touched-off a new era and look. And each was a major, jarring departure from what had come before. But, if they hadn't happened, there would be no more Trek. If people could have just suspended their petty intolerances for creative changes and advancement and ENJOYED those moments for what they were...they would have truly felt joy and amazement at what a wonderful time in the franchise it was.

 

[Galaxy]

Why are so many of them so hung up about the visuals and fictional timelines? (...) And it seems to be sooo important to many, how this fits into the prime timeline, it's not even funny anymore.

For me, one of the things I like about Star Trek is the enormous depth that this fantasy world has. There are few that compare. Tolkiens World, Star Wars (although they threw out their expanded Universe) I guess Game of Thrones is a modern example. I love the detail that Tolkien goes to to describe his world, I love Star Trek Novels like Andrew Robinson's A Stich in Time, which gives us the back story to Garak, and the Star Wars novel that explains the characters in Jabba's Palace.

That being said I liked the trailer for Discovery.There are two aspects to continuity for me, the story (and I will just take there word that it will more or less fit) and the visual continuity. Visually I am for some tweaking as long as the theme matches. I do not want a replica of TOS, Star Trek in 2017 should depict the future as seen from 2017, not late 1960s. I do not want a computer interface that looks like candy strewn in front of the crew. I do want visual nods towards TOS, and I saw that in the trailer. The TOS communicator, there was something that resembled a TOS tricorder, plus the Enterprise inspired uniforms. Personally I would have preferred a more TOS inspired color palette here (say what you will about JJ but the uniform look is something he nailed imo) but I also like the ENT look.

I'm really reminded of the beginning of Enterprise and the time we saw the first pictures of Star Trek (2009), when so many people decided that this isn't Star Trek anymore...

I liked Enterprise. Imo the last season was up there with Season 3 of TNG, well ignoring the Nazi space aliens. The final episode I have less of a problem with, although I can understand why the cast was pissed. I am just puzzled why of all TNG, the Pegasus is what was chosen

Regarding JJ Trek. I am not against updating the look, but there needs to be......for lack of a better term "logic" to the updating, and I realize that using the world logic with regards to a fantasy world puts one on a slippery slope. Star Trek 2009 started of beautifully. The exterior of the Kelvin, as well as the bridge where a good visual take. They lost me when the Captain left the bridge. I almost thought that Paramount was recycling the sets from Titanic. There were valves manually operated by huge wheels, something that looked like a boiler, and if memory serves there was even a brick wall in the background. And then we had the Enterprise, where Engineering was literally a brewery with a water park added for good measure. Those uniforms though.

 

[Ridcully]

Well this thing has my attention now!
I think that I am getting excited.......have not been that for a long time now!
The last time something tickled me this much was B5, Farscape, and such....

Love the new looks on everything......