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Agents of Shield - Season 4

Is he returning in the real world? I've refused to watch the LMD/HYDRA Matrix arc, I just hate the entire premise. But I really enjoyed the first part of the season with the darkhold/Ghost Rider, so if the finale has him and is set in the real world I'll watch it.
 
Don't worry, he'll be in the real world.

As for the framework storyline, although I know better than thinking I can convince you of something once you make your mind up, I haven't enjoyed Agents of Shield this much since the Winter Soldier crossover.
 
That's the thing with Ward though; he was never fundamentally "evil" but just a broken, troubled person. This version of him is more a "what could have been" rather than an "in name only" type of incarnation.


No one was fundamentally "evil". But everyone had the potential to choose evil. Ward made that choice, along with others like John Garrett or Gideon Malick. They could have made the choice to reject it, but they didn't . . . well, perhaps Malick did on a minor level.
 
Don't worry, he'll be in the real world.

As for the framework storyline, although I know better than thinking I can convince you of something once you make your mind up, I haven't enjoyed Agents of Shield this much since the Winter Soldier crossover.
Well, I HATE matrix style stories, and stories where the heroes are somehow brainwashed into having other lives. I also don't like Aida or Radcliffe since they were revealed as evil, and really the only way I could want to watch the LMD arc less then I do now is if Bobbi and Gonzales were there. I don't like any element of the arc at all, and so rather then rant at the terrible things the show is doing I made a conscious decision to just walk away until the LMD arc was over instead of getting angry.

I intend to keep to that, but I'll watch the finale if its dropped the LMD arc by then and Ghost Rider is back. Hopefully the show will have another season, and one that was as good as the first part of this season all the way through. So I just have to figure out if the May 9th or May 16th episode is the one with Ghost Rider, and watch that (I'm assuming its May 16th episode, although the May 9th episode is called "The Return, so I'll just look online when that airs to know if its the right one).
 
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Fair enough, but perhaps you should spoiler tag your post (Although I'm sure it will be public knowledge well before airing).
 
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Fair enough, but perhaps you should spoiler tag your post (Although I'm sure it will be public knowledge well before airing).

Crap :brickwall: I'm not used to this being basically the only non-spoiler discussion thread for a current superhero show, every other one has the spoiler tag in the thread title. Plus, that certain thing is all over the internet and ABC itself announced it with its official synopsis for the finale, so its arguable how much of a spoiler it is when the people making the show are talking about it. Still I had remembered to spoiler it before, so I definitely screwed up by not paying attention this time.

I should have been more careful. Sorry if anyone saw my post who didn't want to know that thing.
 
Some say, that "Farewell, Cruel World" was the finale, but isn't there an episode next week and another the week after that?

As for the conclusion of this week's episode, it was the obvious solution for Mack, hopefully not the conclusion though.

As for Aida and Ophelia at the end, what the fudge?
 
Some say, that "Farewell, Cruel World" was the finale, but isn't there an episode next week and another the week after that?

That's right -- the preview at the end said next week's episode was "the last episode before the stunning finale" or words to that effect. (It always annoys me when previews do that -- they often say there are "Only N Episodes Left," but it always turns out to be "Only N Episodes Left Before the Insert-Superlative-Here Finale," meaning there are actually N+1 episodes left in the season. Which is oddly misleading.)

Next week's episode is called "The Return," and the finale two weeks from now is "World's End."
 
What was strange was it seems as if the Zephyr One runs like the starship Enterprise. Jet fuel for 10 days or overheating engines wasn't the problem but rather keeping electrical energy to run its computers and climate control. I was hoping that they had landed and we were going to get another Yo-yo special of how her team hide Jemma and Daisy
 
another great episode

Really should have seen that twist ending coming. If Aida could magically build herself a real body using the Darkhold, then of course she could give herself superpowers too! I thought we'd see Radcliffe with Mack at the end.

So, if anyone lies in that transfer machine at the Framework Triskelion, will they be "born" into the real world? Or do they need another operator on the real side who has to feed instructions to the machine?

Also, now that we are where we are, is Aida even a villain? Before she was just a machine doing as she was programmed, corrupted by the Darkhold. In the fake world she did fake things to try to give her a chance at a real life in the real world. She has been a human with human emotions and a fully free human brain for all of 60 seconds now. And in that 60 seconds, she hasn't murdered anyone or anything like that, so is it right to think of her as a villain?

And then there's Fitz. "I think I'm a bad person." I suppose he's going to do something to save everyone from Aida or Ivanov, and that will redeem him or whatever, but really, there can be no going back. He remembers every atrocious act he committed. Hell, his first words should have been "oh God, I shot Jemma".
 
A mostly good episode and I was sadden (but unsurprised) by Mack's decision (although the "I can't live without Hope" was a bit too on the nose). Like spinnerlys, I hope this is not the conclusion for his story.

Lovely farewell to Trip and B.J. Britt but it was odd Ward was nowhere to be seen. Felt like a glaring omission.

The Coulson and May wake-up scene was a nice tender moment between the two of them, particularly the "I was a little squirrelly on the other side"/"It was kind of cute" part. Glad it didn't go any further than that at that moment, but I can see a deeper relationship working between in the future if there's another season.

Good to see that the Framework personalities were mostly left behind, although Leo appears to have some unfortunate lingering feelings for Ophelia/AIDA. Unfortunate mostly because we have to deal with yet another diversion from the Jemma/Leo relationship. That being said, I am intrigued to see how they handle Leo's psychological fallout for being partly responsible for Agnes' and Mace's deaths.

(On a side note, I still find it very weird that Jemma refers to Leo as Fitz, which made for a brief awkward moment with Fitz Sr., deliberate or not.)

However, there was one thing I really didn't like about the episode. I found Jemma's decision to go after Fitz Sr. tedious and the whole scenario felt like another case of a character doing a stupid thing that ends badly but accidentally helps the situation in the long term.

Now that they're out of the Framework, hopefully the final two episodes really knock the rest of the season out of the park, whether or not this is the end.

So, if anyone lies in that transfer machine at the Framework Triskelion, will they be "born" into the real world? Or do they need another operator on the real side who has to feed instructions to the machine?
I would think you would need someone on the real side operating the machine. Still, it's an interesting set-up that could allow Hope, Trip and maybe even Ward to come to the real world.
 
Mack's decision was a logical one, but even when it was happening, I still wasn't ready for it. I'm really hoping theres more to his story before the end. I too felt it was really strange that Ward was not in this episode, and I hope that they'll be coming back to him too. While it was really, really nice to see Trip, I don't see him getting reborn for the real world. He just seemed like a nice treat. Ward, I feel, is a stronger possibility for rebirth, but the likelihood that we get Trip, Hope and Mack, AND Ward back seems like wishful thinking.

And, although the scene was quite beautiful, I cringed when Mack said, "I can't live without Hope."
 
Superb episode, AoS is simply the best thing on TV right now and it's a pity it doesn't get the viewership it warrants. My only gripe is screw what MAC thinks, it's not real. Daisy should of knocked his ass out and threw him into the real world. I also would of loved Ward to make the sacrifice play in this episode to help Daisy return to the real world, it would of summed up his framework redemption from his real world counter part.
 
My only gripe is screw what MAC thinks, it's not real. Daisy should of knocked his ass out and threw him into the real world.
Yeah, I half expected Daisy to do that but I guess she didn't because "she respected him too much" to go against his wishes.
 
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