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Harry Kim's rape

Okay having watched the episode I feel more qualified to comment-Harry clearly attracted her interest by pinning her against the wall when breaking up the fight.

Neelix pretended to beat him up to take her interest off of him.

Harry wasn't interested, and he wasn't raped, he could maybe claim sexual harassment-not sure if that would work with Klingons.

Neelix did call her "a fine piece of Klingon womanhood". So he was interested to say the least.
 
No that's okay re-quote away. I'm actually sorry I was rude to you yesterday.

We were talking here recently about the episode 'Twisted' and I was reminded of the Doctor being pursued by Sandrine when he was stuck on the holodeck. He didn't much care for her advances either and although Harry offered to help they always made The Doctor low priority. Being pursued by a woman is often seen as low priority by both genders.

We're good ☺
 
One small but important correction, sexual assault, not harassment.

There's a Mexican standoff.

In the beginning, Ch'Rega was involved in some violent flirting with a different bloke, when uninvited Kim manhandled her against a wall and...

Actually?

Was she sexually assaulting the other Klingon when Harry first met her?

We don't really know if the dude she was laying into at the time was trying to mate, because he could have as easily have been trying to escape like Harry eventually had to?

I've been operating under the conception most of the time that she is a normal Klingon doing normal Klingon things that would not get her into trouble under Klingon law, but what if she isn't normal? What if back home on the Klingon ship, this lady already has a lengthy rap sheet for sex crimes?

(Finally looked at the episode)

Is stealing FREE food flirting? Because that's what the other guy did to start the fight in the mess that Harry broke up. I suppose it's possibly flirting? I used to know a few women who would do stuff like that to get attention.

Of course she also threw Neelix across the room before Harry took hands to her, so if beating up Neelix was a nonsexual act, it's 50/50 as to whether the first guy was her boyfriend or a rando.

Point being, is that she can file sexual assault charges right back at Harry. It's a standoff. He dominated her in public. That's a declaration of intent. Pretty close to their (short version of their) marriage ceremony. Ch'Rega let herself get dominated, because it seemed like there was a future to their relationship, why these two crazy kids in love even talked about having children (Yes they did, watch the tape), therefore it was his insincerity that tricked her into being intimate and planning their long lives together, which is a terrible violation of her trust and sexuality.

In a very real sense Harry Kim killed their many babies by not having sex with Ch'Rega, which is just awful, and has to be a crime.

Paedocide?

Harry Kim is a paedocidist.
 
DS9's Destiny had an analogous situation with O'Brien and Gilora, but didn't feel the need to resort to laughing at ideas of emasculation to do so. The problem with comedy is that jokes almost always come at someone else's expense, but throughout the whole episode Prophecy crosses the line from funny to harmful more than once. For example:

Funny: Prophecy wants us to laugh at the surprise juxtaposition of Neelix's wholesome image, versus his engaging in rough Klingon sex.
Harmful: Prophecy wants us to laugh at him coercing her to sleep with him under false pretences.

The particular storyline between Kim and Ch'Rega also adds to this in a number of ways which I don't think have been touched on in this thread, namely the fact that Kim would rather lie about cutting himself shaving rather than admit to being sexually assaulted (you could also add the Doctors assumption that his attacker was male, therefore believing a woman would be too weak to do so/Kim himself is weak for being attacked by a woman?), and that he has to resort to hiding in a Jeffries tube to get away from his assaulter who is now stalking him. As has been mentioned before, if the victim was female then these are situations which writers of any self respecting serious show wouldn't even consider touching with comedy.

Unfortunately it's not just Star Trek that does this, Buffy the Vampire Slayer also laughs at Xander's sexual inexperience being taken advantage of by both Faith and Anya. I'm not saying Star Trek always has to be preaching to it's audience, but it shouldn't be stooping to such levels for the sake of a joke, either.
 
Yeah the DS9 ep I didn't understand that-Cardassians are supposed to be such intricate and restrained people I didn't get why the cardassian scientist was like "I will totally have your children."
 
^ Gilora acted that way because she thought O'Brien was hitting on her.

O'Brien was arguing with her and got all snippy whenever she was around (because she kept interfering in his work) and he didn't know that is part of normal Cardassian courtship rituals. So that's why Gilora got her signals crossed.

Side note: Apparently Tracy Scoggins had so much fun playing Gilora that she would wander around the studio lots in full Cardassian makeup and freak people out. It got to the point where the security guards were calling in and saying "Y'all need to take better care of your aliens"... :lol:
 
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Okay having watched the episode I feel more qualified to comment-Harry clearly attracted her interest by pinning her against the wall when breaking up the fight.

Neelix pretended to beat him up to take her interest off of him.

Harry wasn't interested, and he wasn't raped, he could maybe claim sexual harassment-not sure if that would work with Klingons.

He wasn't, however only because Neelix saved him. The Doctor's advice was "be raped" and "there's nothing you can do"
 
In Favourite Son, a planet full of his sexy cousins, endless gorgeous cousins, that would never stop putting out, invited him to star in an orgy that would never end.

It was a trick, to eat him.

Seems like Kim is moving up in the world.
 
The Doctor was definitely being jerky, in a way that was pretty unfitting for the character and trying to make it a joke, but maybe it can be interpreted that he knew Janeway wouldn't give "permission" if he didn't want it.
 
The Doctor was definitely being jerky, in a way that was pretty unfitting for the character and trying to make it a joke, but maybe it can be interpreted that he knew Janeway wouldn't give "permission" if he didn't want it.

The Doctor went even more twattish than usual in season 7 - from the ego trip in workforce, to the treason in flesh and blood.
 
He wasn't, however only because Neelix saved him. The Doctor's advice was "be raped" and "there's nothing you can do"
No the doctor gave him explicit permission to have sex with her. While also stating he needed the captain's signature as well. Not lie down and take it.
 
No the doctor gave him explicit permission to have sex with her. While also stating he needed the captain's signature as well. Not lie down and take it.

Which begs the question: did Neelix get permission from both before he did his thing?

Or doesn't he have to, as non-Starfleet?
 
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