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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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carlosp said:
On AxaMonitor: AXANAR REFUSES to disclose how many of the almost 300 donors who thought they were funding a studio to help other filmmakers actually said it was OK to divert the funds to Axanar's own purposes. Plus, its federal nonprofit application reportedly moves forward.
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Wonderful graphic - well done.

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Doesn't using a public poll to "get permission" from donors to now use crowdfunded mone6y for the "seperate" Industry studios venture toward what could only be classified as PRODUCTION RELATED COSTS of the Star Trek Fan Film "AXANAR" (and I don't see how you could classify the moving/storage of sets and set materials to be used for the film as anything else); technically VIOLATE then CBS/Paramout V. Axanar settlement agreement?

I say the above because I read one of the terms is they could no longer do any public fundrasing for "AXANAR" production costs - yet now, with their recent actions regarding the "Industry Studios" crowdfund campaign, that's EXACTLY what they are doing here.

I mean most people who either fail to meet their crowdfunding goals on something; or the situation changes so that they no longer NEED to funds for the purpose stated; just CANCEL their campaign and let the funds automatically be refunded to the pledgers.

NOT Alec Peters - he's seems to think he can use any money raised via crowdfunding anyway he choose. Hell, he even has stated the survey is just to gauge what donors want. He's stated he won't be bound by whatever result 'wins'.

You'd think either CBS/Paramount or Indegogo might step back in and take action, but I'm sure CBS/Paramount feel Alec Peters has been dealt with (in their eyes with the statement he made, he admitted guilt as to the copyright infringement, and whatever happens, IF "AXANAR"m get finished/released, it will be two 15 minute segments. As for Indegogo; it's clear they could CARE LESS regarding ANY of their Terms of Service agreement as long as they get their cut.

In the end, I think the above really shows there does need to be more hands on regulation with regard to crowdfunding in general as for Indegogo (and Kickstarter) it's (of course) just about the money.
 
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carlosp said:
On AxaMonitor: AXANAR REFUSES to disclose how many of the almost 300 donors who thought they were funding a studio to help other filmmakers actually said it was OK to divert the funds to Axanar's own purposes. Plus, its federal nonprofit application reportedly moves forward.
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You know, ask 300 people who in spite of everything just donated again "do you want Axanar to die?". What do you expect. The bigger question remains whether the studios will let it pass when Alec tries to say that "the donors made me use this fundraiser for Axanar, it wasn't me". If they give him an inch he will be back.
 
It's like they're operating off a checklist at this point.

Ask for money. Check.

Get the money. Check.

Don 't deliver what the money promised. Check.

Keep the money. Check.

It's the wrong fandom but: "All this has happened before, and it will happen again." The only mystery is when.
 
Admiral2 said:
It's like they're operating off a checklist at this point.

Ask for money. Check.

Get the money. Check.

Don 't deliver what the money promised. Check.

Keep the money. Check.

It's the wrong fandom but: "All this has happened before, and it will happen again." The only mystery is when.
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Correct, we have moved from credibility to credulity.
The remaining donors are either willing to spend money chasing a dream or fulfilling a delusional belief.
 
Jedi_Master said:
Correct, we have moved from credibility to credulity.
The remaining donors are either willing to spend money chasing a dream or fulfilling a delusional belief.
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In which case I'd recommend some of them possibly seek help.
(there's absolutely no excuse at this point for continuing to support LFIM/the project after all that's been exposed - he's not going to make the movie)
 
RedForman said:
In which case I'd recommend some of them possibly seek help.
(there's absolutely no excuse at this point for continuing to support LFIM/the project after all that's been exposed - he's not going to make the movie)
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Most competent help can't be had for $125 bucks in biannual donations, and you aren't likely to get a coffee mug or patch delivered via snail mail either.
 
RedForman said:
Seems an apt time to post this link (similar ones have been posted in the past, now though, as LFIM is seemingly scheming his way out from under the albatross of his own creation, it's even more pertinent)

20 Diversion Tactics High Manipulative Narcissists, Sociopaths and Psychopaths Use To Silence You
http://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-a...ociopaths-and-psychopaths-use-to-silence-you/
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Yep...that article might as well have had Alec Peters' face at the top with the caption "case study."
 
Admiral2 said:
Yep...that article might as well have had Alec Peters' face at the top with the caption "case study."
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It's unusual for a single individual to match so many of the criteria. Quite remarkable.

Not to overdramatize, but many individuals with the tendency to abuse and manipulate need an enabler(s) or a sympathetic audience to continue their pattern of behavior. Alec has more than a couple of those, and some of them even have blogs!
 
Noname Given said:
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I wouldn't draw that conclusion. The Trek fan community is neither more, or less vulnerable than any other fan community to a 'fan project' relating directly to said fan community.

In fact if people in general weren't susceptible and didn't fall for a variety of e-mail scams on a daily basis; you e-mail (or e-mail spam filter) would be so full/active. people have been falling for these types of scams for ages - probably as soon as currency and writing became a part of civilized society.
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But it wasn't a "scam" it was an adaptation of a pledge drive, one that very quickly showed signs of trouble, but was able to skate on by exploiting a segment of Trek fans eager for the "genuine" Trek they loved so much.
 
Jedi_Master said:
It's unusual for a single individual to match so many of the criteria. Quite remarkable.

Not to overdramatize, but many individuals with the tendency to abuse and manipulate need an enabler(s) or a sympathetic audience to continue their pattern of behavior. Alec has more than a couple of those, and some of them even have blogs!
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Funny you should mention that when a new blog started today exposing the truth about the haters...lol
 
Noname Given said:
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I wouldn't draw that conclusion. The Trek fan community is neither more, or less vulnerable than any other fan community to a 'fan project' relating directly to said fan community.

In fact if people in general weren't susceptible and didn't fall for a variety of e-mail scams on a daily basis; you e-mail (or e-mail spam filter) would be so full/active. people have been falling for these types of scams for ages - probably as soon as currency and writing became a part of civilized society.
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I think right now the trek community is more suspectible mainly becasue of JJ trek which many purist don't consider "real trek". So somebody offers an alternative which is more to them as real trek then the Klvin universe and they want to believe.
 
Jedi_Master said:
But it wasn't a "scam" it was an adaptation of a pledge drive, one that very quickly showed signs of trouble, but was able to skate on by exploiting a segment of Trek fans eager for the "genuine" Trek they loved so much.
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Sorry, but I WOULD call the entire Industry Studios Indegogo and any further crowfunding by Alec Peters for 'other' Axanar production projects a scam in that he's NOT doing it for any sort of homage to, or 'love' for Star Trek fandom. For him it's all about starting/maintaining a for profit business and or self financial enrichment first and foremost - period.
 
Noname Given said:
Sorry, but I WOULD call the entire Industry Studios Indegogo and any further crowfunding by Alec Peters for 'other' Axanar production projects a scam in that he's NOT doing it for any sort of homage to, or 'love' for Star Trek fandom. For him it's all about starting/maintaining a for profit business and or self financial enrichment first and foremost - period.
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I guess there is room for semantic hair-splitting, but in the end this "campaign" pushed a very specific button with a very small group of people.
 
Krandor said:
I think right now the trek community is more suspectible mainly becasue of JJ trek which many purist don't consider "real trek". So somebody offers an alternative which is more to them as real trek then the Klvin universe and they want to believe.
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Granted, but you'd think at some point that even the most die-hard anti-Abramsers would realize that Peters' offer has never been more than that - an offer. He has not made one actual move to provide that "real trek," and it's more obvious each day that he's not going to. At some point, you'd expect even the ones with titanium blinders on would start to smell something...
 
Admiral2 said:
Granted, but you'd think at some point that even the most die-hard anti-Abramsers would realize that Peters' offer has never been more than that - an offer. He has not made one actual move to provide that "real trek," and it's more obvious each day that he's not going to. At some point, you'd expect even the ones with titanium blinders on would start to smell something...
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He is still milking Prelude which he didn't have a lot to do with and will keep milking it as long as he can.
 
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