CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Well, here's the thing about Prelude: If you're after "real trek," Prelude ain't it.
Star Trek is a sci-fi adventure narrative in space. Prelude is a PBS war documentary masquerading in Trek costumes. If you're looking for a return to whatever version of trek has a special place in your heart, I can't for the life of me see how you think you're gonna get it from the guy whose only claim to fame to date - whether deserved or not - is aping the World at War (In Color) and adding laser beams.
Maybe that's why i never even considered backing or watching Axanar. I refuse to even see JJ Trek, but I never saw prelude as leading me to any better alternative.
Prelude is good and I personally enjoyed it. However I think that had a lot more to do with Tobias and Christian then it did with Alec.
Yeah I didn't dislike Prelude as far as it went (talking heads in front of VFX). In fact, that might even be a clever way of doing a low budget fan film, if it was well enough written. A sort of Making a Murderer in Space if you will.
The issues with Axanar were never and are not whether one enjoys their output. It is the fact that there is no output.
This. I've been screaming this very same thing since Prelude came out. Axanar doesn't smell of Star Trek at all. I likened it to nuBSG in Star Trek drag.
Who deserves more credit for it is not my point. My point is Prelude does not make me expect to see any version of trek I actually like come from any of the people who made Prelude. If the promise is "Give me money based on this thing and you'll get Trek that you love," I automatically call bullshit. I wouldn't donate once, much less keep donating through lawsuits and warehouse deals just to get the same "offer" over and over again.
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That, and for me, the history of decisions demonstrated and documented from the long past through to the present businesses has me concluding the same thing.
I can come to no other conclusion myself, especially so because of the documented demonstrated history I've found when using other people's money. Which, to 'me', adds further support to such a conclusion.
See, that's the thing for me, researching as much as I have done, cross-checking from every direction for documented information that would lead to refute or verify these business practices and personal behavior... I can see no break in this pattern from many years back to right this moment. So I can find no way logically or reasonably to separate the defendant's past from the current time.
The far past, the past, the most recent past, and the current time demonstrate what I consider to be a thoroughly documentable consistent pattern of duplicitous business practices, poor business acumen when using other people's money, a consistent observable pattern from nearly a decade back through the current posting date of an aggressive attacking personal behavior using abhorrent demeaning viscous vitriol & threats toward anyone not unwaveringly supportive, as well what I observe to be a total resistance to accepting the responsibility for these business practices, business failures, personal behavior.... or even setting that aside, acknowledging that these things have even occurred outside of saying if it did, it wasn't his fault.
Which therefore leads 'me' to no other extrapolation into the future that *I* can come up with at this time other than the present will move and is already giving signs of moving into the future in the same manner the past led into the present; the same business acumen, the same duplicity, the same business results, the same use of other people's money, the same personal behavior, and the same resistance to accept responsibility for, or acknowledgement of, missteps other than when accompanied by 'it's not my fault'.
Exactly. At this time I can see no other conclusion.
Agree. And this is where I myself observe his terrifically awesome amazing talent to draw great good wonderful people into his vision. Such a talent is to me unquestionably wonderful!!! But my own observation is that this wonderful talent is being misused.
Those who join his vision and community will be devoted. If or when one of these good people has questions that cannot be explained away satisfactorily to him or her, that person will choose to leave ....or be forced out of the devotedly supportive (enabling) community. Which leaves the community intact and gently shepherded into truly believing that there was something wrong with that person who is now gone. They were mean or bad or dishonest. Therefore nothing they say 'now' has any truth or value to it.
I strongly, very strongly, believe this.
Are you kidding me? I'm wearing a cardboard belt too!!!
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Well there is an offer in the IGG of making a fan film, and that, if it were done, or money reserved to do it at some point, wouldn't have been as much of a scam. Taking any money to build private for profit asset is scammy, but I guess it might have been more under the radar if they had done *something*.
IMO the problem is the entire chain of events has been one fundraiser after another where "we just need to do a little more" on the studio, eating up all the money all the time. Promising a film and only building a for profit asset in the owner's name, spread over more than a million dollars, does begin to deserve a name other than "pledge drive gone wrong".
It is very revealing (and sad) that mentioning on the Axanar Facebook Page the two incontrovertible points raised by our Right Honourable Madame Chief Justice (money's gone...no movie to show for it) throw AP into a barely coherent rage. Been there, done that...been threatened with banishment. I haven't been threatened with physical violence, but maybe LFIM knows what my true passion in life is, which would make such a threat or an attempt to carry it out a VERY bad idea. 
The donors didn't come back. The justification for all the expansion plans being 'the will of the donors trumps the will of the IP owners', that cans it -- they voted NO in their many, many thousands. It has to be a pretty difficult situation right now, right or wrong.
This is probably not the best moment to reach out and expect any reasoned discussion to happen.
It's called push polling. Hardly new, sadly; as I recall, Karl Rove employed it during the 2000 election when he had pollsters say something like, "Would you be more likely, or less likely, to vote for John McCain if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?"
Yea. And he has 300 to play with now. Maybe a few more on the side. That's still something, but not the massive capture of fans' money that was going on before.
So if he wants to push poll them, whatever. If he wants to say some large number not responding constitutes a yes vote, whatever.
It seems to be about never admitting the interpretation that literally, *literally* 99% of the people he has touched have arrived at, even including Wil Wheaton.
"See, I have a poll, and its resoundingly in my favor!"
Best to just see it for what it is and leave it on the table I guess.
Well, the problem with "Prelude" is that it doesn't go anywhere; it's simply a teaser for a movie that we never got. That's why it's hard for me to even consider it as anything at all; it's just a marketing tool.
Personally, I liked Prelude... It was a unique way to do Trek. But I seriously doubt Axanar feature would've interested me anywhere near as much.
Maybe there aren't even 300 by now. I think, there are many donations coming from the "inner circle" under different names. Just to show "outsiders" that it's right to donate to that honorable cause.
Either those "donations" might be drawn back just before the end of the campaign or those "donors" might get a refund "in private". Could be fewer than 100 donors at all.
Yes, I'm this mistrusting.
Either those "donations" might be drawn back just before the end of the campaign or those "donors" might get a refund "in private". Could be fewer than 100 donors at all.
Yes, I'm this mistrusting.
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Very good point and the vulcan sence was even more of a blatent marketing tool
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