Yes I think that's it
Voyager is superior, it just is..
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Yes there would be tension but a full scale shootout? That defeats the point of the show.
Minor nitpick (and not meant to rekindle the entire argument): it could have been two weeks. The next episode ("the quickening") doesn't feature a single shot of the station that shows the pylons (that's excluding the intro theme of course). The episode after that however ("body parts"), starts with a zoomed out view that shows all 3 pylons again.
Still, that would be very little time for rebuilding the entire thing and you're absolutely right that it is never mentioned again.
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No of course not. But if you have too opposing groups with their own command structure vying for control you could create some interesting drama. As for Voyager some people wanted that or have come to want that. I don't care, the show is what it is, but if Voyager were being remade today I would expect some more conflict between the two groups. Galactica and SGU went to the other extreme imo, but some people really liked it. We're all different.
What I said made sense, if it offended you then that's not my problem.
No no everything I said was a wonderful pearl of wisdom and you are being an ass, recalcitrant, or are just too intellectually handicapped to understand it.
No no everything I said was a wonderful pearl of wisdom and you are being an ass, recalcitrant, or are just too intellectually handicapped to understand it.
You know if this is a pearl of wisdom born from experience, I think it is healthy to philosophize and reflect on our standing as a human race. It is putting yourself out there to share it. I've had many an eye roll and slap down from doing the same. In this forum as well, though not this board really. It doesn't matter, just let it stand. Example.. and I quote.. "Voyager is superior, it just is.." 
Y'all wrong.
The Animated Series reigns supreme.
No, it doesn't (and I just had a binge re-watch on Netflix recently.) A few episodes are good, but the thing is typical Filmation animation; static in animation and in vocal delivery as well (it helps if the voice artists are present in a studio laying down the vocal tracks, as shown in behind the scenes video about Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and it would even be better if they got professional voice artists to do the voices instead of automatically getting the original actors when they couldn't get them into a studio to do the vocal work, IMHO.)
That's why I support the idea of a new Star Trek animated series (or even an animated direct-to-video movie similar to the ones from Marvel and DC.)
You know since another ongoing thread is a post Voyager series-why not have the radiation used for the Terratin incident/one small ship be applied as technology?
The crew wants to study microbes? Shrink em? You want to have a battle waged inside a jeffery's tube with fleets. Shrink em?
Why not reverse the tech so the ships and crew grow unnatural big-like so big their feet go down light years in space.
The crew wants to study microbes? Shrink em? You want to have a battle waged inside a jeffery's tube with fleets. Shrink em?
Why not reverse the tech so the ships and crew grow unnatural big-like so big their feet go down light years in space.
I know hardly anything about Star Trek animation, though that doesn't mean the story boards aren't good.
I reckon another reason Voyager was so good was actually the times it was produced. It reflected the mood of those times. We were more hopeful back then, less bruised by terrorism and fear. I think it would be a mistake for any new Star Trek, including Discovery, to become too much of a statement piece. Star Trek has always reflected the human condition but the last thing an audience wants in its fictional entertainment is a lecture. Last thing it wants from its science fiction, is the known.
I reckon another reason Voyager was so good was actually the times it was produced. It reflected the mood of those times. We were more hopeful back then, less bruised by terrorism and fear. I think it would be a mistake for any new Star Trek, including Discovery, to become too much of a statement piece. Star Trek has always reflected the human condition but the last thing an audience wants in its fictional entertainment is a lecture. Last thing it wants from its science fiction, is the known.
Voyager does have an undercurrent of hopefulness and optimism, which is too its credit. Perhaps that's the reason its less popular today.
a.k.a. all Star Trek.
I still see don't see any evidence to call voyager 'superior', but one thing I've learned from this thread is that the number of times Voyager (the ship) really had been badly thrashed, only to appear sparkling new the next episode is significantly lower than I thought. Still think they could have done more with these presumed resource shortages, though.
One thing I do think VOY does better than TNG and DS9 is humor and some lighter character interactions. In TNG most characters are too perfect to show much humor (I don't say it isn't there, but it's rare). In DS9, these are usually relegated to Quark/Odo/other Ferengi (though Garak can have scathing wit sometimes). In VOY though, interactions between any pair of (main) characters are shown to have some lighter undertones in a natural manner every now and then, in situations that aren't contrived to be "comedic" . I like that.
One thing I do think VOY does better than TNG and DS9 is humor and some lighter character interactions. In TNG most characters are too perfect to show much humor (I don't say it isn't there, but it's rare). In DS9, these are usually relegated to Quark/Odo/other Ferengi (though Garak can have scathing wit sometimes). In VOY though, interactions between any pair of (main) characters are shown to have some lighter undertones in a natural manner every now and then, in situations that aren't contrived to be "comedic" . I like that.
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^ I do agree that ENT had some phenomenal episodes in Seasons 3 and 4. Given how great it was, I was shocked that it was ended after that. It could have "prospered" for another 3 seasons. I sure wish it had...
Each Star Trek series has its own unique qualities that make them worthwhile. DS9 provided the most epic war and battles ever seen in Star Trek. TNG was "optimism par excellence" in Star Trek, and had the honor of being the "restart" of the franchise in TV form. And I agree with teacake that VOY had the most colorful and humorous characters.
In VOY, many people didn't like Neelix. I have to raise my hand in agreement. I couldn't stand him most of the time. But upon revisiting the series, I've gradually changed my mind. There were 2 episodes in particular... one where he gives Tuvok a piece of his mind... sick of the berating he receives from him. And the writing was spectacular. Because then, Neelix saves Tuvok from certain death... and Tuvok demonstrates a realization of how his assessment of Neelix was wrong. The dialog between them was very well written. There was also the episode where Neelix helps his Telaxian friend, and gets himself into a world of trouble. His confession to Janeway was so moving, and it captured his internal tension so well... his fear of becoming superfluous and unimportant, allowing him to take a risk on dishonesty in an attempt to keep being significantly helpful to Janeway that tripped him up. And Janeway was spot-on... to forgive him enough to allow him to stay on. Neelix evolved really well. Also, Tuvok and Janeway. I have to admit, at first I didn't care for Kate Mulgrew's personification of Janeway. It wasn't until the 3rd season that I took notice of how Kate was growing into the role. And the writers stepped up to the plate. She really was terrific.
The more I re-watch VOY, the more I'm appreciating it. I may even like it more than TNG. But I wouldn't call any of these Star Trek series superior to the rest. They're all great in their own respects and contexts.
Each Star Trek series has its own unique qualities that make them worthwhile. DS9 provided the most epic war and battles ever seen in Star Trek. TNG was "optimism par excellence" in Star Trek, and had the honor of being the "restart" of the franchise in TV form. And I agree with teacake that VOY had the most colorful and humorous characters.
In VOY, many people didn't like Neelix. I have to raise my hand in agreement. I couldn't stand him most of the time. But upon revisiting the series, I've gradually changed my mind. There were 2 episodes in particular... one where he gives Tuvok a piece of his mind... sick of the berating he receives from him. And the writing was spectacular. Because then, Neelix saves Tuvok from certain death... and Tuvok demonstrates a realization of how his assessment of Neelix was wrong. The dialog between them was very well written. There was also the episode where Neelix helps his Telaxian friend, and gets himself into a world of trouble. His confession to Janeway was so moving, and it captured his internal tension so well... his fear of becoming superfluous and unimportant, allowing him to take a risk on dishonesty in an attempt to keep being significantly helpful to Janeway that tripped him up. And Janeway was spot-on... to forgive him enough to allow him to stay on. Neelix evolved really well. Also, Tuvok and Janeway. I have to admit, at first I didn't care for Kate Mulgrew's personification of Janeway. It wasn't until the 3rd season that I took notice of how Kate was growing into the role. And the writers stepped up to the plate. She really was terrific.
The more I re-watch VOY, the more I'm appreciating it. I may even like it more than TNG. But I wouldn't call any of these Star Trek series superior to the rest. They're all great in their own respects and contexts.
Agreed with this 100% - Even Tuvok at times had a very well developed sense of humor, especially with long-term practical jokes usually aimed at Tom and Harry. Oddly, I feel like Chakotay was probably the most humor-less character on the ship, which is kind of strange given that Riker on TNG was perhaps the closest thing to the "class clown" of that ship's crew.
I would have liked to have seen a big, heated debate between the Maquis and pro Starfleet crews. To hear both views. To have the Maquis say "you threw us off our land and gave it to the Cardassians". To hear Starfleet say, "You were warned not to settle there in the first place!" It was such a wasted opportunity. I mean a real heated, controversial debate. Everything was probably going to be resolved by the end of the episode, but things like that is what makes Trek episodes memorable.
I think at this point Trek was beginning to suffer the infamous franchise fatigue. It lasted seven seasons, so it was a success in that way, but it seemed very tired and out of ideas.
I could never get into trek's humor, but there was some funny moments.
There is one episode that started with Belanna noticing that Seven has been following her and Tom around. She confronts her, and Seven admits she has been following them around to observe them. Belanna grabs the Pad away from her and learns that Seven knows when she and Tom are having sex. She demands to know how Seven knows this, and Seven snarks there's probably no one on that deck that doesn't know when they're doing it. So Belanna says, "you better give me all the information you have on that' and Seven says she's not done yet.
The Belanna says something like "call sickbay, tell them to prepare to receive an injured ex Borg" or something then everyone gets up to pull Belanna away before it gets out of hand.
It was kinda of funny.
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