My possible theory on how humans "evolved" in Star trek. They are all robots!

[Jayson1]

Here is how I think it might have played out. World War III killed all humans on earth. We are talking about a nuclear war so i'm not sure how they could have survived,something like that. Vulcans have proably been watching over humanity for along time. We know from "Enterprise" they were first introduced during Sputnik mission in the 1950's. What if the vulcans found the humans to be a species worthy of great potential but also with ovious flaws they would need to move past, so they choose to watch over them in hopes of seeing some growth. Humans end killing each other though, but the Vulcans choose to perserve them, by recreating them in robot form. The idea is they could remae them were they still had all that potential they show but also find away to program them in way were they would move beyond the major flaws but in away that the human robots would see as natural change instead of computer programming.

I also asume these robot humans would be more like the cylons on "Battlestar Galatica" instead of typical robots made with parts and wiring and whatnot. That means that everything we think humans did in stark trek like creating starfleet and exploring space was actually being controlled by Vulcans in secret. Even first contact was a big ruse were the vulcans just pretended to be first encountering them. Also it means that T'pol was secretly in control of the NX-01 and Spock was actually in control of the Enterprise instead of KIrk. Eventually the robot humans got to a point were they no longer needed to be controlled to that level and Vulcans started treating them as equals which led to the more evolved "humans" we see in the 24th century.

Jason

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

How do you know we're not all robots now?

 

[Jayson1]

How do you know we're not all robots now?

Because I am not good at math. All robots are good at math.

Jason

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Because I am not good at math. All robots are good at math.

Not necessarily -- you might be programmed not to be good at math.

 

[Jayson1]

Not necessarily -- you might be programmed not to be good at math.

But how will I be able carryout my destiny to save humanity without good math skills?

Jason

 

[at Quark's]

Perhaps this has already happened?

<starts looking for the blue pill>

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

But how will I be able carryout my destiny to save humanity without good math skills?

You might also be programmed to believe you have a destiny to save humanity. Who can say the programmer isn't sociopathic or apathetic? Anyway, why do you believe you need good math skills to save humanity? I think empathy, kindness and generosity would go a long way.

 

[Jayson1]

You might also be programmed to believe you have a destiny to save humanity. Who can say the programmer isn't sociopathic or apathetic? Anyway, why do you believe you need good math skills?

I guess I don't need them. It just would be neat to be super smart at something other than being lonely. I guess I could go read "A Brief History in Time" again and see if the time travel soultion comes to me this time but I doubt it.

Jason

 

[1001001]

Ah, Jayson1...

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Perhaps this has already happened?

<starts looking for the blue pill>

And it will happen again.

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[Asbo Zaprudder]

I guess I don't need them. It just would be neat to be super smart at something other than being lonely. I guess I could go read "A Brief History in Time" again and see if the time travel solution comes to me this time but I doubt it.

The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible.
How about volunteering some of your spare future time to try and help people?

 

[at Quark's]

And it will happen again.

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Perhaps we could write a nice episode around it, in which Q makes a Vulcan captain travel through time.

Q: I? There you go again, always blaming me for everything. Well this time I'm not doing your work for you. I'm not the one that causes the re-creation of mankind. You are.
VULCAN: Me?
Q: That's right. You're doing it right now. You did it before and you'll do it again.
Vulcan: What sort of meaningless doubletalk is this? The Vulcan science Directorate has determined ... <etc>

(I had that last line in my head already, only to be beaten to it by the previous poster )

 

[Jayson1]

The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible.
How about volunteering some of your spare future time to try and help people?

But I have already helped create every human being on the planet born after my conception by simply exsiting within this timeline allowing it to move forward and shape itself around me in the manner that it has. take me out of the equation back in 1975 when I was born t,he universe would have felt the ripple effect and formed a new and altered timeline were all people born after that alteration would never have been born. It's even possible that my exsitence might have even saved other people's lives as well. Maybe some 50 year old today might have died back in 1988 because there life would have also been altered by the changes and maybe the end up in a car wreck or who knows what that they didn't haven the timeline which we currently exsit.

Granted my exsitence has also killed untold number of people and I might have played a role in trump becoming president, 9/11 and who knows how many other trajedies but nobody is perfect.

Jason

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

But I have already helped create every human being on the planet born after my conception by simply exsiting within this timeline allowing it to move forward and shape itself around me in the manner that it has. take me out of the equation back in 1975 when I was born t,he universe would have felt the ripple effect and formed a new and altered timeline were all people born after that alteration would never have been born. It's even possible that my exsitence might have even saved other people's lives as well. Maybe some 50 year old today might have died back in 1988 because there life would have also been altered by the changes and maybe the end up in a car wreck or who knows what that they didn't haven the timeline which we currently exsit.

Granted my exsitence has also killed untold number of people and I might have played a role in trump becoming president, 9/11 and who knows how many other trajedies but nobody is perfect.

Riiiiiight, if you say so...

Maybe if you say "Fiat lux" or "I am Jason" loudly enough, you will replace this universe with a better one.

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[The Old Mixer]

If there's a topic here, best to get on it....This thread is giving me an itchy trigger finger.

 

[Jayson1]

Riiiiiight, if you say so...

Maybe if you say "Fiat lux" or "I am Jason" loudly enough, you will replace this universe with a better one.

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But I am not the only who is saving people by exsiting. You are doing it as well and everyone on the trekbbs and in the world. Also we will create a better universe by dying off as a species before we advance far enough to save the eventual collapse of this universe which I think means it would then be possible for another universe to someday form which will hopefully create a more advan.

 

[Jayson1]

It did go a little off topic. Back to the main point. Human robots is the answer to every possible Trek problem you can think off. Why no need for money? Greed is lessoned by programing. Why a Eugenic's War in the 1990's when it didn't happen? False Data inplanted into the human robot's and you can go on and on.
Not only that but it answers why Kirk and everyone looks different in the Kelvin Universe. Different robot DNA used to create them but with the same basic personality program used in their creation. Granted this mean Sarek has a thing for robot love in any universe which implies some kind of universal fetish inherit to him in general or maybe his desire for a human familiy is a secret desire that he has but has problems admiting and hides those feelings through the lens of Vulcan logic. Granted he also looks different in the Kelvin Universe so maybe the robot replacement has even started to be used when creating new Vulcan's. Explains why Savick also looked different, yet nobody noticed.

Jasom

 

[Prax]

I hate to be that guy, but... Humans aren't portrayed to be "more evolved" in the 24th century.

At least not biologically; perhaps socially. Even in early TNG, there are instances where humans are shown to be:

Greedy
Ambitious
Vengeful
Hateful
Bigoted
Lustful
Deceptive
racist
petty
contemptuous
...whiny...
And the adjectives could go on, but you get the idea.

And...we are robots, in a sense. It just wasn't the Vulcans.

 

[Jayson1]

I hate to be that guy, but... Humans aren't portrayed to be "more evolved" in the 24th century.

At least not biologically; perhaps socially. Even in early TNG, there are instances where humans are shown to be:

Greedy
Ambitious
Vengeful
Hateful
Bigoted
Lustful
Deceptive
racist
petty
contemptuous
...whiny...
And the adjectives could go on, but you get the idea.

And...we are robots, in a sense. It just wasn't the Vulcans.

That though would be the beauty of the programing. The human robots would still feel like humans, and the alterations would be so subtle that they didn't even notice a change. It would feel like natural growth instead of just one day all sin is gone. You would still feel anger,hatred and all sorts of terrible emotions only your programing would give you better skills at coping with them. Even when someone does something wrong like O'Brien killing his friend from the artifical prision or SIsko plots to bring the Romulans into the war they are able to deal with these issue's better than a real human would have. Maybe a human O'brien for example would have hit his daughter in that moment were he freaks out but robot O'Brien holds back instead just to give one example.

Jason

 

[F. King Daniel]

I like to think people are the same as ever, they're just taught from birth that they're superior and so they believe it. It adds kind of a dark edge to the squeaky clean Next Gen universe.