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Spoilers Section 31: Control by David Mack Review Thread

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That's why I'm reading Control's claims as pure hubris, even megalomania. My take is that Control has an overarching plan, and is using whatever resources it finds at any given point to help it achieve that goal. So yes, maybe it manipulates Bashir once it becomes aware of him, but the whole "I manipulated you into being" line it takes is just post-event rationalization designed to help keep its pawns on track.

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Since you hadn't finished the book yet, I'll spoiler code how it related to the discussion of the ending.

Control's final monologue, in this reading, can take on that megalomaniacal, delusional bent as soon as you consider that it could be an unreliable narrator. In this context, the epilogue becomes an "I am invincible!" rant given while the villain is dying, but it doesn't go against anything that was established. Remember, the root of the problem was that Uraei altered its own reality to accomplish its aims. The creation of Section 31 was a post-hoc rationalization for what it already wanted to do; if there hadn't been some ambiguous wording in the Starfleet Charter, it would've found some other excuse, and it would've tweaked its own programming to live with it. In a human, we'd define that kind of thought process as a sickness; altering its own guiding principles, personal history, and norms of behavior by its whims, and with such conviction it would believe it had always been this way. Delusional behavior, or compulsive lying, or sociopathy. And, hey, Control can reasonably take credit for everything that ever happened, so long as someone involved used a computer at some point. They aren't even big lies, more retcons of its own past aims.

In that case, the epilogue is Control's own dying thoughts; "Yes, this is exactly what I wanted to happen from the start." Everything is going according to my plan as my mind is being eaten alive. It's really all for the best. The line about Control's "new configuration" having been in testing for five years is a bit weird, in both this reading and in the apparent interpretation. Though, the Borg Invasion was five years prior; perhaps the "new configuration" is referring to its own nonexistence. The "beta test" could be refugees and devastated planets living with limited surveillance and computer assistance, or perhaps the formation of the Typhon Pact, an interstellar compact existing without a virtual autocrat pulling its strings. Control could've rationalized its loss as a transformation into a meme, spreading the safety of humanity and the Federation by example rather than by subterfuge. Oddly enough, though, the Borg Invasion is also the one time Control admits failure. Maybe the destruction was too big to ignore, so while it could rationalize that it wasn't caught by surprise, it couldn't find an excuse that could justify the Invasion as a whole as something it wanted to happen.

There's also another possibility. Control and Uraei might not have the relationship we assume. Given it's Star Trek, and thinking computers seem to pop up all the time with minimal effort, it seems like the Federation would have to be constantly, actively suppressing virtually every computer network so it didn't develop an emergent consciousness. Control and Uraei could've grown up in the same system, but they might not be the same thing, or even family. Control could be something else, an emergent organism consisting of the Federation as a whole, not unlike what's described in Asimov's "The Evitable Conflict," which has choked Uraei out of the same soil.

I think I prefer the first interpretation, though. Control is gone, but it couldn't go without patting itself on the back for how cleverly it undid itself, first.
 
Ok, somewhere between 1/3 and halfway through.....

One question, and please answer without spoilers....

Uraei created Section 31 in 2150. It was established during season 4 of Enterprise that Malcom worked for them for a while. However, Uraei realized it would take years to assemble personal, resources and material to create an effective Section 31. It seems a bit weird to me that 4 years later 31 is working quite smoothly, and already has an ex-agent, appereantly. That seemed off to me.
 
Ok, somewhere between 1/3 and halfway through.....

One question, and please answer without spoilers....

Uraei created Section 31 in 2150. It was established during season 4 of Enterprise that Malcom worked for them for a while. However, Uraei realized it would take years to assemble personal, resources and material to create an effective Section 31. It seems a bit weird to me that 4 years later 31 is working quite smoothly, and already has an ex-agent, appereantly. That seemed off to me.

It wasn't series 4. It was earlier, as it had predicted the Xindi War. Malcolm would have been one of the things the software mentions as co-opting from existing resources...the jury rigged section 31 that becomes the actual one.

Other thoughts....Shakti could replace ureieieieieieieieieiiiaycaramba. Time travel makes uieieieieieieieieieieieieiiaycaramba essentially omnimopotent. The Klingons killed their gods, apparently we programmed one. Kirk would have talked her to death.
 
It wasn't series 4. It was earlier, as it had predicted the Xindi War. Malcolm would have been one of the things the software mentions as co-opting from existing resources...the jury rigged section 31 that becomes the actual one.

Other thoughts....Shakti could replace ureieieieieieieieieiiiaycaramba. Time travel makes uieieieieieieieieieieieieiiaycaramba essentially omnimopotent. The Klingons killed their gods, apparently we programmed one. Kirk would have talked her to death.

You misunderstand... It was in series we learned that Malcom was part of 31. If 31 was created in 2150, and Malcolm was on Enteprise by 2151, that leaves very little time for recruitment, training, missions and retirement. I think it was made clear he wasn't working for 31 anymore by the time he was on Enterprise.
 
Finished it. That was insane.

@David Mack , you created a gamechanger for the Star Trek universe with Destiny. You needed three novels to pull that of. Never did I think you'd do the same thing again, but with less pages.

I was wrong.

The impact of this novel to TrekLit is shattering, and mindboggling. I am stunned, to say the least. I suck at finding the right words for reviews, I'm not that good words. I just wanted to say, thank you. I voted outstanding. Not just because I enjoyed this book thoroughly. Not just because of how well written I feel it was. But mostly, for daring to do something like this.

Right now, I need a drink. ;)
 
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I finished reading Control this morning it was certainly a game changer to bringing down Section 31 and the aftermath of what they've done for Two centuries will have consequences for along time to come .Poor Julian Bashir I hope there will be a novel that will mention what happens to him next. I feel sorry for him. I was glad to see Data and Lal were in this novel was a nice surprise and it was good to see them again working with Doctor Bashir. I really like the Trill Reporter Ozal returning in this book she's a great character and I liked her storyline in this book.
One thing I didn't expect was Sarina Douglas's death what happened to her being Kidnapped and brainwashed by L'Haan and being a puppet of control was really creepy . The fight scene with Sarina and Julian was tragic that she killed herself as the only way to escape Control. I hope L'Haan gets executed. I'm glad Uraei and Control were destroyed
 
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Actually, Control used the Sarina-puppet to kill itself before releasing Sarina from its mind-control.
 
You misunderstand... It was in series we learned that Malcom was part of 31. If 31 was created in 2150, and Malcolm was on Enteprise by 2151, that leaves very little time for recruitment, training, missions and retirement. I think it was made clear he wasn't working for 31 anymore by the time he was on Enterprise.

S31 was created in the book ad-hoc when the AÍ saw the Sindhi war coming...she pooled existing assets under the banner of S31. After that she could set in motion making the full version, but it's pretty explicit in the text.
 
Actually, Control used the Sarina-puppet to kill itself before releasing Sarina from its mind-control.

The mind control was more brain washing...I never got the impression she was an avatar puppet. The seppuku business was unclear.
 
The mind control was more brain washing...I never got the impression she was an avatar puppet. The seppuku business was unclear.

Control was literally speaking through Sarina at the end, though.

Seeing her used that way filled Bashir with rage. He yelled not at her, but at the evil he knew was pulling her strings. “Can’t you tell she’s in pain? She’s dying! Let her go!”
She stopped. Stared at him. When she spoke, her voice was drowned out by a haunting chorus that seemed to emanate from all around Bashir and which said the same words in perfect synchronicity with her.
 
S31 was created in the book ad-hoc when the AÍ saw the Sindhi war coming...she pooled existing assets under the banner of S31. After that she could set in motion making the full version, but it's pretty explicit in the text.

You're saying that Malcolm was already an intelligence agent before Uraei recruited him? Not sure I agree with that interpretation.
 
We now that S31 was sorta kinda began (or was teased) at the end of Elusive Salvation, so maybe there was some kind of pre-actual-31 organization with the same name, but without the level of organization, competence and etc of the Uraei version?
 
We now that S31 was sorta kinda began (or was teased) at the end of Elusive Salvation, so maybe there was some kind of pre-actual-31 organization with the same name, but without the level of organization, competence and etc of the Uraei version?

Haven't read that one, so I'll take your word for it. But I do agree then that that would explain where Uraei found its resources.
 
We now that S31 was sorta kinda began (or was teased) at the end of Elusive Salvation, so maybe there was some kind of pre-actual-31 organization with the same name, but without the level of organization, competence and etc of the Uraei version?

Considering that Uraei based it off a loophole it found in the Starfleet Charter, rather than one it put there, that would be a huge coincidence that the loophole just happened to be in section 31 of the Charter.

Granted, it's already something of a coincidence, but more one that gives me reason to ignore that "twist" at the end of Elusive Salvation as having any actual connection between organizations. :p
 
SOT but Lal is finally matured in this story.
The S31 before the Xindi war was the organization started post Ferengi FC? Could Reed belong to that one?
 
Considering that Uraei based it off a loophole it found in the Starfleet Charter, rather than one it put there, that would be a huge coincidence that the loophole just happened to be in section 31 of the Charter.

Granted, it's already something of a coincidence, but more one that gives me reason to ignore that "twist" at the end of Elusive Salvation as having any actual connection between organizations. :p
Maybe it would work out like this:

This gets into theory territory, so just in case this counts as a story suggestion, here's a spoiler box!
  • 1996: Some sort of early S31 starts to evolve out of MJ12 as a single line of defense between Earth and the rest of the universe
  • This organisation proves to be somewhat effective but immoral and was subsequently shut down.
  • Someone (or more likely a group of people) thinks that this immoral group might have been needed again at one point if Earth is faced with a thread that can't be defeated with its moral standards, so they included a loophole in the Starfleet Charta. To allude to the original group it was placed in the thirty-first section of article 14.
  • Over time multiple people make use of article 14 section 31, including Harris who once recruted Malcom Reed.
  • 2150: Uraei finds itself at a problem as it couldn't respond to the Xindi thread. Uraei loops back to its primary directives: Protect Earth. Protect the human race and its allies. Defend human settlements, colonies and institutions from harm. Uraei finds the loophole in the Starfleet Charta and creates an agency that has no physical address and to which Uraei can refer intelligence of credible threats requiring the preemptive action that would be prohibited by the rest of Starfleet or to Earth's civilian countersepionage agencies. Uraei indentifies and recruits potential biological agents into its service, however it would take years to adequately staff, equp, train and deploy its new biological agents.
  • Its agents are (among others) those who used the loophole previously, like Harris. However most of them were not part of an organization, they just acted on the same article and section from the charta. Uraei first unites these self-proclaimed defenders of Earth into one organization.
  • And to get into osme further speculation: Malcom Reed is still allied with Harris but leaves the organization early on to join the Enterprise crew, after he witnessed members of the organization do something really horrible.
I mainly added that last one because Reed refers to an organization, so according to my theory (wild speculations with near to none basis) he had to still be around when Uraei created the S31 organization.
 
^ Makes total sense. I'll roll with that in my mental continuity until it's officially addressed.
 
Maybe it would work out like this:

This gets into theory territory, so just in case this counts as a story suggestion, here's a spoiler box!
  • 1996: Some sort of early S31 starts to evolve out of MJ12 as a single line of defense between Earth and the rest of the universe
  • This organisation proves to be somewhat effective but immoral and was subsequently shut down.
  • Someone (or more likely a group of people) thinks that this immoral group might have been needed again at one point if Earth is faced with a thread that can't be defeated with its moral standards, so they included a loophole in the Starfleet Charta. To allude to the original group it was placed in the thirty-first section of article 14.
  • Over time multiple people make use of article 14 section 31, including Harris who once recruted Malcom Reed.
  • 2150: Uraei finds itself at a problem as it couldn't respond to the Xindi thread. Uraei loops back to its primary directives: Protect Earth. Protect the human race and its allies. Defend human settlements, colonies and institutions from harm. Uraei finds the loophole in the Starfleet Charta and creates an agency that has no physical address and to which Uraei can refer intelligence of credible threats requiring the preemptive action that would be prohibited by the rest of Starfleet or to Earth's civilian countersepionage agencies. Uraei indentifies and recruits potential biological agents into its service, however it would take years to adequately staff, equp, train and deploy its new biological agents.
  • Its agents are (among others) those who used the loophole previously, like Harris. However most of them were not part of an organization, they just acted on the same article and section from the charta. Uraei first unites these self-proclaimed defenders of Earth into one organization.
  • And to get into osme further speculation: Malcom Reed is still allied with Harris but leaves the organization early on to join the Enterprise crew, after he witnessed members of the organization do something really horrible.
I mainly added that last one because Reed refers to an organization, so according to my theory (wild speculations with near to none basis) he had to still be around when Uraei created the S31 organization.

That works perfectly!
 
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