Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[Gryffindorian]

Oops, wrong quote. This is what I meant to respond to.


Everything that Thawne changed was from the present forward. It didn't affect anything in the distant past, when the Spear of Destiny still existed. So even if the Waverider didn't exist, anybody who had access to a time machine could literally travel back to 1916 (or any other point in time prior to the alternate reality).

Here's a question about last night--if the Spear of Destiny changes reality, then time travel shouldn't be able to stop it, because reality must be altered in all time periods to get to the world these people want.

So somehow, Thawne would have been able to not have Eddie kill himself, which would preserve his existence. At least, that's the theory. For me, the only reason that time monster thingy was in the cage was because Thawne wanted it that way. He chose it.

That's why it was unclear how going back to 1917 would work. The reality where the Legends came from should not be accessible via time travel.

Time travel should be the solution, but it should be to a time before Thawne destroyed the Spear, which literally could have been a few minutes before he did so in 2017.

When Mick had the spear, all he had to do was use it to alter reality so that it's back to normal, except Snart lives.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm sure the Felicity haters were fist pumping like mad when alt-Felicity bought it.

 

[Tuskin38]

A friend told me the Arrow Subreddit was cheering.

Last April fools (or was it the year before?) they changed the subreddit to /r/olicity installed a script that after every post it added something like "I love Olicity!" It was hilarious.

 

[Christopher]

Everything that Thawne changed was from the present forward. It didn't affect anything in the distant past, when the Spear of Destiny still existed. So even if the Waverider didn't exist, anybody who had access to a time machine could literally travel back to 1916 (or any other point in time prior to the alternate reality).

Like I said, though, if that's the way it works, then it defeats Thawne's whole purpose of changing reality in a way that's immune to time travel. So either Thawne bought a lemon, or the writing is inconsistent (as usual).

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

BTW, was anyone else reminded of this, by Thawne insisting to keep the Legends around for reasons?

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[Noname Given]

Again, some people are taking this series WAY too seriously as it's 100% clear the writers are not (which IMO is 100% okay.) This series is probably closer to really re-creating a silver age era comic book style story then any other series of the Arrow-Verse - with all the funny lines (I loved "I thought it was a good villain monologue..."); and obvious plotholes and logic gaps.

 

[Christopher]

Again, some people are taking this series WAY too seriously as it's 100% clear the writers are not (which IMO is 100% okay.) This series is probably closer to really re-creating a silver age era comic book style story then any other series of the Arrow-Verse - with all the funny lines (I loved "I thought it was a good villain monologue..."); and obvious plotholes and logic gaps.

Yeah, the story's a mess, but the humor was terrific throughout. I loved how the Legends couldn't stop talking about Nate's mom's sandwiches. I loved Rip's passion for cake-making. I even liked the running gag that when a Legend got their memory back, the first thing they did was to punch Mick.

One thing that disturbed me, though, was the line about Damien reprogramming Sara to cater to his every whim. I really hope that doesn't include sexual whims, because that would be rather horrific. But the scene did not exclude the possibility.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Oops, wrong quote. This is what I meant to respond to.


Everything that Thawne changed was from the present forward. It didn't affect anything in the distant past, when the Spear of Destiny still existed. So even if the Waverider didn't exist, anybody who had access to a time machine could literally travel back to 1916 (or any other point in time prior to the alternate reality).

I agree with this assessment. It would make the "solution" by the Legends "plausible" (for the show's standards)

Like I said, though, if that's the way it works, then it defeats Thawne's whole purpose of changing reality in a way that's immune to time travel. So either Thawne bought a lemon, or the writing is inconsistent (as usual).

Except he didn't expect any of those in the new reality to actually be able to time travel. (Those that could had no memory/ability). So typical villain arrogance.

Yeah, the story's a mess, but the humor was terrific throughout. I loved how the Legends couldn't stop talking about Nate's mom's sandwiches. I loved Rip's passion for cake-making. I even liked the running gag that when a Legend got their memory back, the first thing they did was to punch Mick.

One thing that disturbed me, though, was the line about Damien reprogramming Sara to cater to his every whim. I really hope that doesn't include sexual whims, because that would be rather horrific. But the scene did not exclude the possibility.

I agree about the humor... though I was confused about what was going with Rip....and even he's been essentially 2 different characters these past 2 years...the cake making seemed kinda odd to me. How long had this reality been going on?

The mick gag was funny... and I thought the monologue appreciation society by the Legion was kinda funny too (a 4th wall type of joke for me).

Well, Damian IS a bad guy...it's in his last name, so it's possible. They make this show relatively kid friendly, so I assume we are free to interpret.

 

[dahj]

I loved Rip's passion for cake-making.

They should do a culinary crossover episode with him and Mon-El doing recipes

How long had this reality been going on?

I think they said a year.

 

[Photoman15]

I agree about the humor... though I was confused about what was going with Rip....and even he's been essentially 2 different characters these past 2 years...the cake making seemed kinda odd to me. How long had this reality been going on?

Rip is Souffle Boy

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why didn't Damien go back to the 80s?

 

[Snaploud]

Why didn't Damien go back to the 80s?

Thawne probably over-ruled Damien. Though, Damien may have liked the idea of living in a time period in which he could kill the Arrow (given that he had been told that the Arrow was the one who defeated him in the future).

 

[Guy Gardener]

He missed his kids childhood.

Hell.

He missed his kid's conception.

Besides, if they left Damien in 1986, Genesis would have frakked the planet by the time the rest of them arrived in 2016 to start their lives.

 

[LJones41]

I noticed something about Matt Letscher's performance after watching this episode. He is one of the few performers I have seen on film and television who has this talent for transforming his character's mood from amiable to sinister with a great deal of subtlety. In his scene with Franz Drameh, this transformation seemed so subtle that I found it smooth and effortless.

 

[Marc]

Why didn't Damien go back to the 80s?

Cos nobody whether good or evil wants to re-live the 80s

 

[Nerys Myk]

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[Tallguy]

So, Thawne made Trump president.

So... Witty?

 

[Romulan_spy]

Legends is a delightfully campy show. Loved the 4th wall jokes when Snart and Merlyn commented on Damien's villain monologue. Loved the sandwich jokes. And like every campy superhero show, the Legion of Doom always blow it in the end because of their overconfidence and arrogance. Such a fun show!

 

[SAndrews10]

I like how snart said they could go get incarcerated in iron heights and plan a prison break like old times

 

[Phoenix219]

The blood is in the middle of the battlefield. Cool, we'll just hop in our time machine, go back 40 years to when it's not a raging battle and dig it up in peace. Oh, wait, too easy.

Yup. This is exactly what I came to post and complain about lol. Even after it broke, they could have gone back and pickedit up earlier if they really wanted to.

Although, as usual, the time-travel logic doesn't make sense. If scaring George Lucas out of film school changed Ray and Nate's pasts in a matter of hours, how come Snart being removed from the timeline hasn't erased everyone's memory of him being a Legend? Maybe being taken outside of time insulates against timeline changes somehow, although that wasn't what was suggested last season when the team abducted their own younger selves and had a time limit to get them back before the new history set in.

Same is true for Maya and Damien Darhk, as well. Arrow Season 4 shouldn't have happened, and no one should know Mari. The rules for this have been alternating since the beginning of the show, with Martin's wedding band. I guess "intent" comes into play - if you fully intend on returning when you are done, then the timeline knows that you are going to do it, Bill and Ted style. If there is no thought to it / you are not in control of your own path / you don't know you need to do it, then the timeline doesn't adapt to it - you don't have the knowledge yet to make that informed descision, I suppose. Not really sure....

The only explanation for Thawne is definitely "speed force" knowledge.... the "primary" memories being written onto the time fragments, perhaps? This could explain why Zoom didn't care about killing himself, nor did Barry in the S2 finale? He shouldn't have had memories of Cisco of S1... .*period.*