Well, Snart had his cold gun and goggles, so it was sometime after his first outing as Captain Cold and his death.
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So Snart managed to do in 2 minutes what the Legion has been failing to do for 15 episodes. 
As for the depiction of Tolkien, I know he was a devout Catholic, but wasn't he also very much opposed to making shit up and using religious references in writing? I really wouldn't peg him for a guy that would be a talking head on The History Channel in a special about conspiracies involving Christ's blood, the fella knew the difference between myth and history...
By the way, did they mention Gawain in the Camelot episode?
That would certainly have been a more logical place to look for him and ask about the blood.
As for the depiction of Tolkien, I know he was a devout Catholic, but wasn't he also very much opposed to making shit up and using religious references in writing? I really wouldn't peg him for a guy that would be a talking head on The History Channel in a special about conspiracies involving Christ's blood, the fella knew the difference between myth and history...
By the way, did they mention Gawain in the Camelot episode?
That would certainly have been a more logical place to look for him and ask about the blood.
But on Earth-1, it is history.
Good point. For me, I was wondering, once they found out where the relic was buried, why not travel to some time before or after the battle, when it was safe to retrieve it?
This is an altered timeline. Given Eobard masquerade as Wells so long it makes sense he would build his Hall of Doom in the same location as Star Labs.
Yeah, I wondered the exact same thing -- "Thanks, JRR, for your help! We're off to 1882 when no one's shooting at us! Plus, the Legion of Doom will never suspect!"
Speaking of JRR, was there any pay-off to the rubbing he took of Gawain's shield? Unless I blinked and missed it...
I think it was the map that led them to the relic. I remember Tolkien holding it up when he realized that the relic was in the middle of No Man's Land.
I doubt Mick actually turned on his team, I believe he is playing the Legion, waiting for his time to strike. I was kind of hoping that Snart was the Spear projecting itself onto Mick rather than the real Snart but still nice to see him back. I do wonder if the spear could/will be used as a way to reset all the damage changes to history that has been done to the DC TV verse from Legends and even Flashpoint itself. I'd like to see the spear come back in a future storyline but one involving everyone from all 4 shows.
^ They can use it to merge Earths 1 and 38. 
1x16...
So, Thawne made Trump president.
1x16...
So, Thawne made Trump president.
So, Thawne made Trump president.
So the evil alternate reality they created with the Spear is our reality? That explains so much...
Although it doesn't quite track, because, yes, Thawne is evil, but he's also pro-science and fixed global warming.
It's amusing how much of this episode was shot on the other shows' standing sets -- Thawne was operating out of STAR Labs and Darhk out of the Star City mayor's office.
Okay, no doubt Amaya's death will be reversed, since Mari's existence depends on it. Although it's kind of weird to have this going on in an altered reality when the other shows are carrying on with the regular reality that shouldn't exist anymore. At least "Flashpoint" had the advantage of being over and done with before the other two Earth-1 shows' season premieres.
It also seems kind of a cheat to use time travel to fix the changes caused by the Spear, because they said earlier in the season was that the whole point of using the Spear was so that the changes couldn't be undone by time travel.
The fate of the Waverider was fun. Shades of "Requiem for Methuselah."
But if all of this is reset next episode in the past, then from the perspective of the other shows, this reality never happened anyways so they wouldn't even have to acknowledge it.
I must say, I have been really enjoying the last batch of episodes a lot.
^ The problem with that logic is that this episode is set in the present, the same as Arrow and The Flash, which is one reason why this arc doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Yeah, but the conceit tends to be that we're experiencing these stories in real time. That's part of what gives it the feel of a whole unified reality. So when two or more of the shows are out of sync with each other's events, it undermines the illusion. I mean, the idea here is that Doomworld is the reality, the only one they've got. That's why Thawne and the other villains were at odds over the Spear -- only one of them could get his preferred version of reality. This is supposed to be the only reality that exists right now. It's harder to buy into that illusion if we just saw the regular reality intact minutes before.
I remember that before the start of the season, a lot of people were assuming that the Flashpoint arc on The Flash would take several episodes at least, and that the other shows would also take place in the altered timeline. Naturally that was never going to happen, since each show has its own staff and audience and its own storyline, but I assumed -- correctly, as it turned out -- that they'd wrap up "Flashpoint" quickly enough (at least the actual altered-reality part of it) to avoid any overlap with the other shows. Now we're in a situation where there is overlap, and it proves that the other shows wouldn't have gotten their reality altered to match.
I said above that this story arc doesn't make sense, which turned out to have been understating things, because we've officially hit stupid territory, which is massively unfortunate for the penultimate episode of this or any season.
Ummm...there IS overlap. Now, minor enough to not SIGNIFICANTLY alter the show's...So the transgendering
of John's child didn't apparently change Arrow's reality much, but set up Legends for their season 2 big baddie.
I don't see why this situation in Legends would HAVE to change anything in the other shows
I'm disappointed that the writers ignored an opportunity to have Mick use the spear to alter his past. He really should gotten a chance to experience a real family in the altered reality (one that could have helped him realize his responsibilities to his friends). He could even have used the spear to give himself memories of that happier reality.
I agree with this. I don't see any problem or conflict.
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Finally caught up with the Arrowverse, and this was a huge WTF moment for me as well. The Thawne that was Wells disappeared out of existence. Unless they establish that his disappearance was being sucked into/protected by the speed force, this makes no sense. They went through all the convoluted nonsense to establish that time remnants are a thing, and they explicitly showed Thawne being saved from the original history and getting a different path as Barry's prisoner, and never showed him returning to his history stuck in the past. The implication was that his destiny was changed, leaving him free to move to Legends, while a time remnant fulfilled the role as Wells (or vice versa), with a time wraith chasing him for escaping his destiny. Since the original timeline stayed intact even after Thawne's ancestor removed himself (which has never made any sense to begin with) the only answer is Thawne's connection to the speed force protecting (a) version of him, but there is no reason to ever expect that it was the Wells-Thawne from the S1 finale. The only real explanation is "consciousness survived in the speed force" or something equally inane.
Was I incorrect in my assumption that Wells-Thawne couldn't change his face back?
As long as he has the instifacerooswitcher, Thawne can change his face to any face he has on file, and doesn't have to kill anyone to scan their face.
Eobard can change his face back to normal without the device, which seems weird then that he stayed as Wells for 15 years and never had a month off on a trip to Thailand when no one was looking.
I doubt this is how they think, but it's a how Time travel has worked.
Eobard can change his face back to normal without the device, which seems weird then that he stayed as Wells for 15 years and never had a month off on a trip to Thailand when no one was looking.
I doubt this is how they think, but it's a how Time travel has worked.
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