That sounds good on paper.
Spider-Man: Homecoming' anticipation thread
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That sounds good on paper.
That's the old trailer we already had.
I hate the new trailer
When DC beats Marvel at releasing a trailer that convinced me to see a movie, that's bizarre. Actually, its worse because I wanted to see Spider-Man and thought JL would be crap, but their trailers reversed that and now I'm intrigued by JL and think Homecoming will be crap. I never would have predicted that.
"I'm taking back the suit". Really? Fucking really? That's the route they're going down? Just so they can have a climax where Spider-Man beats Vulture in his shitty suit, and Tony Stark has to eat his words and give the good suit back? Fuck off. That alone makes this movie the superhero movie I want to see the least this year. It has legitimately pissed me off more then Baby Groot: The Movie, and the trailers for that movie really pissed me off.
When DC beats Marvel at releasing a trailer that convinced me to see a movie, that's bizarre. Actually, its worse because I wanted to see Spider-Man and thought JL would be crap, but their trailers reversed that and now I'm intrigued by JL and think Homecoming will be crap. I never would have predicted that.
Decent trailer, but nothing special. I am tired of the cliché "The world is changing! We need to change with it!" line. Michael Keaton deserves better writing than that.
I did like Tony's assertion that if Peter is "nothing" without the suit, he doesn't deserve the suit. I'm still not a fan of Tony being the source of the suit's creation (even if it makes sense within the cinematic universe), but I do like that particular implication.
I'm also not thrilled about the swimming pool snippet. I'm tired of Spider-Man doing stupid, embarrassing shit while he's still learning, even if he's still young and learning.
That being said, Tom Holland still sounds great as Spider-Man, although I'm not sure about as Peter.
I did like Tony's assertion that if Peter is "nothing" without the suit, he doesn't deserve the suit. I'm still not a fan of Tony being the source of the suit's creation (even if it makes sense within the cinematic universe), but I do like that particular implication.
I'm also not thrilled about the swimming pool snippet. I'm tired of Spider-Man doing stupid, embarrassing shit while he's still learning, even if he's still young and learning.
That being said, Tom Holland still sounds great as Spider-Man, although I'm not sure about as Peter.
Ah, so the old costume doesn't just appear in flashbacks. Rather, Peter gets too dependent on his "Iron Spider" suit (so to speak), Tony takes it away, and he has to go back to using his makeshift suit and prove he still has what it takes in order to earn the Stark suit back again (which I presume happens in the Washington, DC sequence -- I'm guessing that's the climax). I wondered if something like that might be the case. It's reminiscent of The Winter Soldier, where Cap ditched his updated SHIELD costume and went back to his WWII costume.
Then don't watch it. Easy.
I watched (and own) Fant4stic. There is no such thing as a mainstream superhero film I won't see, eventually. I love the DC/Marvel heroes, there is no chance I won't see this (even though I won't see it in theaters). So, yeah, its not going to be only positive things said about the movie, I'm sorry to say. There might actually be... discussion, and differing opinions
If anything, the extended trailer makes it look like it gives him more trouble than we thought. But generally, it's a pretty standard trope for Spider-Man to be forced to exert himself beyond his normal physical limits and to prevail through sheer refusal to give up, going all the way back to the iconic Amazing Spider-Man #33. This is also reminiscent of the subway sequence in Raimi's Spider-Man 2. If anything, this should be easier than that, since he's mostly relying on the extraordinary tensile strength of his webbing (in the comics, it can even hold the Hulk) to hold the sides of the ferry together, rather than relying solely on his own muscle power. In the subway sequence, he was using a ton of webbing, but all the strands converged on his hands, and so the whole thing was dependent on his own body's endurance.
I will be curious to see the relationship between Tony and Peter and that particular take. However, I do agree about the implication about Tony as the source of the suit, as well as my annoyance that apparently Tony is very much about tokens in his superhero economy. "Deserved" indeed.
Oh well. Typical trailer fodder.
I've said for a while that I didn't really have much excitement for this movie and was only planning on seeing it because it's a Spider-Man movie, but had been holding out hope that marketing could turn my opinion around and give me reasons to be excited. Sadly, that's not the case with this new trailer, which has made me even more "whelmed" (skewing towards "underwhelmed") than I already was. I think it's the overreliance on Tony and Peter's participation in the events of Civil War (which I wasn't particularly fond of) that is preventing me from actually getting excited about seeing this movie, even though I really like Michael Keaton and the 'look' he has as Toomes.
With Sony having announced plans to create non-MCU Spider-films with their Venom and Black Cat/Silver Sable projects, I'm really starting to hope that we do actually get A Spider-Man in at least one of those movies because I want to be EXCITED for a Spider-Man project again the way that I was for all 3 of the Raimi movies and both TASM films, and that's just not happening with the MCU iteration of the character right now.
With Sony having announced plans to create non-MCU Spider-films with their Venom and Black Cat/Silver Sable projects, I'm really starting to hope that we do actually get A Spider-Man in at least one of those movies because I want to be EXCITED for a Spider-Man project again the way that I was for all 3 of the Raimi movies and both TASM films, and that's just not happening with the MCU iteration of the character right now.
What "implication"? We know that explicitly from Civil War.
What do you mean by "tokens"? It looks like it's more about power and responsibility. Tony's whole arc as Iron Man has been about taking responsibility for how his technology is used, and not sharing it with people that he thinks will misuse it. What seems to be happening here is that Peter's overdependence on his fancy Stark-tech suit has made him reckless and nearly led to a disaster, so Tony's taking away the hardware until Peter proves he can use it responsibly, like a dad taking away his son's car privileges after an accident or a drag-racing arrest or something. So Peter has to rediscover that what makes him Spider-Man is who he is on the inside, that he doesn't need the magic feather to fly.
What's interesting here is how much I feel the complete, polar opposite to this. I haven't looked forward to a Spider-Man movie since the first Raimi film (which was ok, but I hated McGuire and his cliche super-nerd, often joyless take on the character). Spider-Man 2 was a pleasant surprise, because Alfred Molina and the script brought Ock to life so wonderfully.
The Garfield Spidey tried. They tried to rework what it would mean for Peter to be an outsider in HS in the modern world, and tamp down the camp. But Garfield came across too cool for it to be really believable, especially early in ASM. Loved Emma Stone's Gwen. But the villains were lacking in both films. Especially the 2nd, where Jamie Foxx did his best Carrey-as-Riddler impression. Talk about a guy in the wrong movie. Yikes.
But this take on Peter has already won me over. The brief interlude in Civil War for his introduction, as tangential as it was to that film's story, introduced a character that is believably uncomfortable, uncertain, and just plain YOUNG. Holland's Spidey talks too damn much, and it's a little awkward, just like how I always imagined comic book Spidey. He quips. And he feels already feels like the one person in the room who just really wants to do the right thing, though he may not always know what that is, or how.
The relationship with Stark actually helps this Spidey, to my mind. It's a bit like a young musician meeting a famous rock star and being told that he likes your stuff. It's ego boosting, but it's also pressure. You have Potential. Now you can't hide anonymously behind questions of talent or skill, now you have something to live up to. It's a kid on the road to superstardom and all the highs and lows that come with that.
And it looks like we might have a quality villain again! Though the writing for Vulture is hopefully better than what we're seeing in this short trailer.
Will Spider-Man: Homecoming be any good? Won't know that until we see it. But everything about this trailer has me hyped.
I was referring to a post above and using their language.
I'm not arguing the theme of the story, just the same language being used by Tony over and over again, with Captain America, and now with Spider-man.
Ok, that was hyperbolic. Still annoying. I'm allowed to be annoyed, right?
Then I'm sure that you still like it on some level.I watched (and own) Fant4stic. There is no such thing as a mainstream superhero film I won't see, eventually. I love the DC/Marvel heroes, there is no chance I won't see this (even though I won't see it in theaters). So, yeah, its not going to be only positive things said about the movie, I'm sorry to say. There might actually be... discussion, and differing opinions
I didn't watch the new one F4.
After the bad word of mouth it didn't interest me enough.
I don't feel like I miss out.
It's good that you're excited; I wish I could feel the same because Spider-Man is a part of my teenage experience (courtesy of the 1994 cartoon) and I have a huge love for and appreciation for the character.
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