I think he was looking for what his 10 year old self wanted.
Iron Fist (Marvel/Netflix)
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It isn't like K'un Lun was just all fighting and training and getting beat with reeds. He had friends, he had responsibilities. I'm sure there were lessons, he had all these wise monks to learn from who I'm sure wanted the people of K'un Lun to be informed, educated and capable of critical thought. It wasn't the life he would have had in New York but it was a life. Being naive about business is fine and justifiable, being bad with women is another excusable quirk, but to consistently act the way he does can't be hand-waved by a cloistered upbringing. If anything he should have more discipline, more responsibility, more emotional maturity; he should have the philosophy of war etched into his eyelids and apply it appropriately.
Another Episode 1 note: He drove way to well for somebody who'd sat on his father's lap when he was 10. He should have lost control of that car way before he had the opportunity to dramatically threaten a purposeful crash.
I finished the season. FULL SEASON SPOILERS BELOW.
It was...okay, I guess. There was nothing truly terrible but it didn't do anything new or exciting either. It felt very very familiar. I predicted most of the plot twists because I've watched so many super hero tv shows and this seemed like a remix of the previous Netfix shows with a bit of Arrow thrown in. And without its own identity.
The biggest problem is that I didn't really care about Danny's character. I was prepared to give Finn Jones a chance and I don't know if it was all his fault or just the writing, but Danny just seemed kind of dumb and naive and not in a lovable way. There were some scenes where he was quite charming (like when he was working in the office) but the scenes of his character struggling with his destiny didn't work for me. His story was the pretty standard "what should I do with my powers!" thing and I'm not even sure what he decided in the end? I'm also sick of the thing where the hero debates whether he should kill the vllain or not. I'm not saying I want the hero to kill, but I don't need to hear endless arguments about it either! Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Arrow, The Flash and probably most other super hero shows have all done this stuff and I've seen enough of it.
I liked Colleen Wing a lot more than Danny, though it was weird how her character seemed to change halfway through the season. It seemed like her arc was going to invovle an addiction to violence but then it was just suddenly revealed "she was in The Hand all along!" They could have foreshadowed that a lot more. And it made her seem really dumb for trusting Bakuto when that guy was really obviously evil. And he sounded like Zoolander when he talked. Still, Jessica Henwick did a good job with it al.
David Wenham was good as Harold but I feel like he should have been more involved in the plot. He spent twelve episodes mostly sitting in his home obviously manipulating Danny and it was only in the final episode that he went full on evil (okay he killed his assistant before that but nobody else knew about it) and became a threat to Danny. I figured out that he'd killed Danny's parents about three episodes in whereas it took Danny until the season finale to realise it.
I liked Joy at the start but her character just seemed to randomly decide to be a bad guy in the end? She should have had more scenes with Danny. Really that's the problem with the Meachums: so many of their scenes were completely seperate from Danny. It would cut away from the main plot to show this brother and sister arguing and I'd wonder what the point was.
Ward...I actually liked him in the end? When he killed his father halfway throught I thought "oh, they're doing that thing where he kills the main villain and becomes the REAL main villain" so I was actually pleasantly surprised that he ended up on the good side. The actor did a good job showing the different sides of his character.
Rosario Dawson was great as always. Claire is the best character in all of the Marvel Netflix series and even in the weaker shows she's always a bright spot.
I feel like they should have brought Davos in earlier so we could have seen him and Danny team up a few more times before his inevitable heel turn.
I like Madam Gao well enough, but it's a bit confusing how they showed she has some kind of super strength and could throw Danny around, yet later she was capture by him...putting her in an armlock?
I appreciated that they showed a different side of the Hand. In Daredevil season two they were all faceless ninjas but here we got some variety with the karaoke guy, the sexy poison lady and the drunk guy. The fight with the drunk guy was the most entertaining fight of the season (Colleen's sword fights were good too.) Most of the other fight scenes were just "pretty good, I guess?" at best
So yeah it wasn't a total disaster but I don't need a season two unless it's significantly better. Just do a Claire Temple show where she teams up with Colleen and keep Danny in situations where he doesn't have to carry a show.
It was...okay, I guess. There was nothing truly terrible but it didn't do anything new or exciting either. It felt very very familiar. I predicted most of the plot twists because I've watched so many super hero tv shows and this seemed like a remix of the previous Netfix shows with a bit of Arrow thrown in. And without its own identity.
The biggest problem is that I didn't really care about Danny's character. I was prepared to give Finn Jones a chance and I don't know if it was all his fault or just the writing, but Danny just seemed kind of dumb and naive and not in a lovable way. There were some scenes where he was quite charming (like when he was working in the office) but the scenes of his character struggling with his destiny didn't work for me. His story was the pretty standard "what should I do with my powers!" thing and I'm not even sure what he decided in the end? I'm also sick of the thing where the hero debates whether he should kill the vllain or not. I'm not saying I want the hero to kill, but I don't need to hear endless arguments about it either! Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Arrow, The Flash and probably most other super hero shows have all done this stuff and I've seen enough of it.
I liked Colleen Wing a lot more than Danny, though it was weird how her character seemed to change halfway through the season. It seemed like her arc was going to invovle an addiction to violence but then it was just suddenly revealed "she was in The Hand all along!" They could have foreshadowed that a lot more. And it made her seem really dumb for trusting Bakuto when that guy was really obviously evil. And he sounded like Zoolander when he talked. Still, Jessica Henwick did a good job with it al.
David Wenham was good as Harold but I feel like he should have been more involved in the plot. He spent twelve episodes mostly sitting in his home obviously manipulating Danny and it was only in the final episode that he went full on evil (okay he killed his assistant before that but nobody else knew about it) and became a threat to Danny. I figured out that he'd killed Danny's parents about three episodes in whereas it took Danny until the season finale to realise it.
I liked Joy at the start but her character just seemed to randomly decide to be a bad guy in the end? She should have had more scenes with Danny. Really that's the problem with the Meachums: so many of their scenes were completely seperate from Danny. It would cut away from the main plot to show this brother and sister arguing and I'd wonder what the point was.
Ward...I actually liked him in the end? When he killed his father halfway throught I thought "oh, they're doing that thing where he kills the main villain and becomes the REAL main villain" so I was actually pleasantly surprised that he ended up on the good side. The actor did a good job showing the different sides of his character.
Rosario Dawson was great as always. Claire is the best character in all of the Marvel Netflix series and even in the weaker shows she's always a bright spot.
I feel like they should have brought Davos in earlier so we could have seen him and Danny team up a few more times before his inevitable heel turn.
I like Madam Gao well enough, but it's a bit confusing how they showed she has some kind of super strength and could throw Danny around, yet later she was capture by him...putting her in an armlock?
I appreciated that they showed a different side of the Hand. In Daredevil season two they were all faceless ninjas but here we got some variety with the karaoke guy, the sexy poison lady and the drunk guy. The fight with the drunk guy was the most entertaining fight of the season (Colleen's sword fights were good too.) Most of the other fight scenes were just "pretty good, I guess?" at best
So yeah it wasn't a total disaster but I don't need a season two unless it's significantly better. Just do a Claire Temple show where she teams up with Colleen and keep Danny in situations where he doesn't have to carry a show.
Indeed. I haven't been behind the wheel of a car in ten years and I never had anything more than my permit, but I know I wouldn't be able to drive that well. Especially if it was a manual (I don't notice if that car was an automatic or a manual).
Yeah, that bothered me as well. I guess the only explanation is the old, tired trope that she wanted to be captured and didn't feel she needed to use that power in any other instance.
I would be happy with the Heroes for Hire/Daughters of the Dragon idea that's been suggested, teaming Luke and Danny up with Missy and Colleen. Four strong characters (well, if they write Danny better) and could potentially tighten up the obvious weaknesses both shows have.
Probably for her they were just some days offGao didn't seem to be phased by things like capture and torture. Been there. Done that.
She did something similar against Daredevil back in DDS1. It's almost as if she... reflects the attack back? That's what it seemed like to me in Iron Fist. I will have to go back and re-watch her confrontation with DD, but I do believe that it was a similar thing. Maybe that's why the armlock was effective where the brute force wasn't. Not enough force to exert back upon her attacker.
Yeah, she knocked him right on his ass. It was just a normal strike to the body there though, no kind of force effect like she seemed to have with Danny.
Huh, I don't remember that but I'll take your word for it. Considering that past moment, that's a good theory about her abilities.
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Maybe her "powers" depend on her opponent? Matt gets a physical strike, Danny gets a chi blast? Or she just chooses whatever reaction is best for the situation. I can see her choosing not to give away her chi power to Daredevil if there is no need to. She plays the (very) long game and doesn't give up info lightly.
Come to think of it, has Madame been confirmed for The Defenders? I would hope that a formidable foe amongst The Hand such as herself would play a role in it and it would be great to see her face against the whole team. Hell, can you imagine the verbal sparring between her and The Stick?
The series definitely didn't seem very concerned with Danny's acclimation into modern society. Maybe it would have felt too Kwai Chang Caine otherwise but I think there was some wasted opportunity there.
From the sounds of it, K'un Lun is very unlike American culture. It isn't just that he was zapped from 2002 to 2017 or whatever, he spent the last 14 years in a culture entirely divorced from the one he returns to. That isn't something you shrug off.
Also, was anyone else a bit foggy on exactly what K'un Lun is in the MCU? He calls it one of the capitol cities of heaven but everything we hear/see is the grim monastery and one reference to sneaking out for donkey. Can one of the capitol cities of heaven really not afford clean robes for the Iron Fist? Is there actually a city at all?
He also didn't just step off the plane, he had to make his way from the Himalayas to New York, presumably across India/Russia/Europe/Africa where he would presumably have had some time to acclimatise, perhaps even learn to drive, get a change of clothes of some sort.
Doing this largely on foot wouldn't be a short trip, and he's had some time to gather some current currency. I don't think they established how long the gateway was opened - so it could've been up to a year by the end of the season.
Doing this largely on foot wouldn't be a short trip, and he's had some time to gather some current currency. I don't think they established how long the gateway was opened - so it could've been up to a year by the end of the season.
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