Had pretty much the same thoughts - or maybe have her take on the identity of Ronin?
Iron Fist (Marvel/Netflix)
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Had pretty much the same thoughts - or maybe have her take on the identity of Ronin?
"MCU Street" With all the global shenanigans elsewhere the Netflix series definitely feel much more local and really embrace NYC that was such a part of many Marvel comics. So far, it seems to only play lip service to the greater MCU and that's probably for the best. By keeping it focused on the local it makes sense that having other supers in the world isn't going to change the day-to-day affairs of our heroes and villains.
3 episodes in...so far underwhelmed. The first of the 4 Netflix shows that has failed to really grab me, 5 if you count Legion.
So far: A nonsensical identity sequence that lasted way too long and is only used to create tension later. Really, they think we're so stupid to think that a rich kid doesn't have all sorts of ways to identify him? He was a teenager when lost. I'm sure he knew he'd need an ID.
A lounging, slow pace. I felt like it took forever for this super "warrior" to extricate himself from a mental hospital?? The bad guys are shaking in their boots.
The "bad guy" so far is disappointing...his family? Yes, I know he fights the Hand later on at some point, and they want to use him against them for some reason, but a few security guys just haven't been very compelling for a hand-to-hand combat expert.
There some other things I'd mention but I'm assuming I'll get some answers to them in upcoming episodes.
So far I only looked at one review and it was very poor. I'm not letting it color my viewing, but it was really too much to expect ALL the Marvel shows were going to be good.
RAMA
So far: A nonsensical identity sequence that lasted way too long and is only used to create tension later. Really, they think we're so stupid to think that a rich kid doesn't have all sorts of ways to identify him? He was a teenager when lost. I'm sure he knew he'd need an ID.
A lounging, slow pace. I felt like it took forever for this super "warrior" to extricate himself from a mental hospital?? The bad guys are shaking in their boots.
The "bad guy" so far is disappointing...his family? Yes, I know he fights the Hand later on at some point, and they want to use him against them for some reason, but a few security guys just haven't been very compelling for a hand-to-hand combat expert.
There some other things I'd mention but I'm assuming I'll get some answers to them in upcoming episodes.
So far I only looked at one review and it was very poor. I'm not letting it color my viewing, but it was really too much to expect ALL the Marvel shows were going to be good.
RAMA
Finished the series. The show is enjoyable and not nearly as bad as critics made it out to be, but it also lacked the special quality that the other Netflix shows have. There were many good parts, particularly Colleen (mostly, more on that below), Claire, Harold and his machinations, the lighter touch in presentation, the music (Daft Punk-esque), and the swordplay, but the show's whole wasn't greater than the sum of its parts. Things don't really click like the other Netflix shows and there wasn't a strong underlying theme playing throughout the show. The latter certainly is a requirement and it's not fair to solely judge Iron Fist against its predecessors, but the show can't help feeling like a lightweight.
My biggest issue with the show is how it handled Colleen's character. The first half of the show, she's by far the best part. She's a strong-willed, independent woman who takes no shit from anyone, especially Danny. Their romance felt natural, but the sudden revelation (even if it was blatantly foreshadowed by Bakuto's first appearance) that she was part of The Hand the whole time simply didn't fit. And then it turns out, she was blind to the true nature of The Hand this whole which makes the character look naive and foolish. Further, during the episodes where she was openly part of The Hand but before she was cast, she came off as soft and lost her edge. Worse, her character felt more defined by her relationship with Danny than as a character on her own right. She regains some of her character composure after being cast out, but she's not quite the same. I was also bothered how in the early episodes, there was a certain quiet angry in her that was released during her cage matches, but it was never explored or dealt with what was the source of her anger. A shame really because Jessica Henwick is wonderful in the role and Colleen is a great character during the first half, especially when teamed up with Claire.
A minor complaint, but was anyone else bothered by the relative ease Danny, Claire and Colleen jumped on a plane to China and back? Do any of them have passports? Danny had his fake "John Anderson" passport which wouldn't be viable anymore. Likewise, how did they explain to the Chinese authorities that they were forcibly transporting Madame Gao? What about her passport? Or am I overthinking something that's not really important?
Jessica Jones
Daredevil, season 1
Luke Cage
Daredevil, season 2
Iron Fist
On the other hand, Sigourney Weaver is being called the main villain of the series, so how exactly does she fit in with The Hand and The Stick's war with them?
That being said, we did at least get some reference to the zombie ninjas because it looked like Colleen was about to get that fate after she cast out.
My biggest issue with the show is how it handled Colleen's character. The first half of the show, she's by far the best part. She's a strong-willed, independent woman who takes no shit from anyone, especially Danny. Their romance felt natural, but the sudden revelation (even if it was blatantly foreshadowed by Bakuto's first appearance) that she was part of The Hand the whole time simply didn't fit. And then it turns out, she was blind to the true nature of The Hand this whole which makes the character look naive and foolish. Further, during the episodes where she was openly part of The Hand but before she was cast, she came off as soft and lost her edge. Worse, her character felt more defined by her relationship with Danny than as a character on her own right. She regains some of her character composure after being cast out, but she's not quite the same. I was also bothered how in the early episodes, there was a certain quiet angry in her that was released during her cage matches, but it was never explored or dealt with what was the source of her anger. A shame really because Jessica Henwick is wonderful in the role and Colleen is a great character during the first half, especially when teamed up with Claire.
A minor complaint, but was anyone else bothered by the relative ease Danny, Claire and Colleen jumped on a plane to China and back? Do any of them have passports? Danny had his fake "John Anderson" passport which wouldn't be viable anymore. Likewise, how did they explain to the Chinese authorities that they were forcibly transporting Madame Gao? What about her passport? Or am I overthinking something that's not really important?
Jessica Jones
Daredevil, season 1
Luke Cage
Daredevil, season 2
Iron Fist
It's been my impression since season two of Daredevil that The Defenders will is the conclusion to the Hand story arc. Both Elektra and The Stick are major players in the story, so I don't foresee a a separate story being shoehorned into all of their lives.
On the other hand, Sigourney Weaver is being called the main villain of the series, so how exactly does she fit in with The Hand and The Stick's war with them?
True, and I appreciate that, but it still filled me with anger. I just wish they actually did more with that theme instead of using it as a means to an end. Aside from Ward's brief stay (which we barely saw), the show did very little with that particular aspect of the theme.
Yeah, this bothered me as well. The Hand we see here, aside from Madame Gao, is a stark contrast from what we saw in Daredevil. It didn't feel like the same organization that's been warring with The Stick for however long period of time.
That being said, we did at least get some reference to the zombie ninjas because it looked like Colleen was about to get that fate after she cast out.
I'm completely unfamiliar with White Tiger but I definitely got the impression that they're setting Claire up to be in a strong combative role in The Defenders instead of just being their nurse.
Well, why would we? Not only is Legion not a Netflix series, it's not even a Marvel Studios series. The only connection is that it features Marvel Comics characters.
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They're from the very first issue of Iron Fist from 1972ish.
^ Then yep, they do.
Probably looking to start this early this week. I enjoyed Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones (in that order) but the general consensus I am getting is that Iron Fist is the least impressive of the Defenders. I guess Daredevil did set the bar really high (for me at least) so far as other Netflix Marvel series go.
All of them having passports doesn't seem like a problem to me and I can see them jumping on a private jet pretty quickly whether it's his or not.
He probably got a real one delivered the same day. I could also see him getting an expedited visa in a day if he could prove that there was an exteme emergency. Otherwise he'd have to wait 2 or 3 days.
I think the real issue is - How much time passes between him arriving back in New York and being revealed to the public and his appearing on the cover of the magazine? Unless this was part and parcel of the initial press conference, but the company didn't seem entirely aware of the interview?
That was disappointing. It's not as bad as it's being made out to be (I think it's being short changed due to how good the previous series were) but it wasn't particularly good. Some of the choices they made were astoundingly dumb - like the big hallway / elevator fight. Two of the best fight scenes in the MCU being referenced (Daredevil hallway, Captain America elevator) which only makes this show look all the worst in comparison.
I think Finn Jones is the biggest problem. He did not sell the role at all. I got spoiled rich kid back after too months touring China vibe from him, not a raised for 15 years by brutal warrior monks and transformed into a living weapon vibe. He had no gravitas. The writing had lots of problems but a better lead would have improved the show considerably. I wonder if he had issues with the martial arts as well, and that's why the fight choreography wasn't as good as the other shows, with some obvious stuntmen switches.
Why does Davos (and everyone else in the K'un L'un flashbacks) speak English? Didn't they say K'un L'un from another dimension accessed through China, and they don't let outsiders enter? If Davos learned English from Danny, why the British accent?
Colleen's surprise revelation came out of nowhere and didn't really fit the story prior to that, but I really liked the actress. Actually, outside of Jones, I really liked all the cast - he was the only weak link.
I'm not quite sure how Luke's shirt fit Jones so well. I kinda think there might be a slight size difference between the two....
And how big is The Hand? They seem now like s giant, hugely rich organization that has infiltrated vast swathes of society through cult like brain washing, and yet nobody has ever heard of them? They've turned from a mystical behind the scenes enemy in Daredevil to Hydra 2.0.
Evil secret societies must be the #1 employers in the MCU.
I think Finn Jones is the biggest problem. He did not sell the role at all. I got spoiled rich kid back after too months touring China vibe from him, not a raised for 15 years by brutal warrior monks and transformed into a living weapon vibe. He had no gravitas. The writing had lots of problems but a better lead would have improved the show considerably. I wonder if he had issues with the martial arts as well, and that's why the fight choreography wasn't as good as the other shows, with some obvious stuntmen switches.
Why does Davos (and everyone else in the K'un L'un flashbacks) speak English? Didn't they say K'un L'un from another dimension accessed through China, and they don't let outsiders enter? If Davos learned English from Danny, why the British accent?
Colleen's surprise revelation came out of nowhere and didn't really fit the story prior to that, but I really liked the actress. Actually, outside of Jones, I really liked all the cast - he was the only weak link.
I'm not quite sure how Luke's shirt fit Jones so well. I kinda think there might be a slight size difference between the two....
And how big is The Hand? They seem now like s giant, hugely rich organization that has infiltrated vast swathes of society through cult like brain washing, and yet nobody has ever heard of them? They've turned from a mystical behind the scenes enemy in Daredevil to Hydra 2.0.
Evil secret societies must be the #1 employers in the MCU.
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It's amazing what you can get done when you're a billionaire.
Luke wears his shirts very tight and it was loose on Danny.
Finn Jones didn't get much time to train or to learn the moves once shooting was underway.
“Well, here’s the situation,” he begins, explaining that he only had three weeks to train before filming. “Unfortunately, with the filming schedule, I wasn’t given as much time as I would have liked to continue the training.” Shooting for 12 or 14 hours a day took its toll. “I was learning those fight scenes just 15 minutes before we shot them, because that was the schedule... It would be 2am, 3am, I’d just done a long day of work, and usually the stunt department would come up and say ‘Hey, right, we’ve got this huge 30 person fight and you’ve got to learn it right now.’ So I was learning it on the spot, within 15-20 minutes, and then shooting it. That was the reality for six months.”
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A few more episodes in now. A few questions answered though I'm not satisfied by all of them. By episode 5 my wife was saying she was bored during some action scenes..not a good sign. Generally though a slight improvement for me in episodes 4-7. I'll wait till I know more to comment on it.
Finnished it and I loved it. I think it might be my favourite Netflix MCU. I found it much more focused than the Daredevils and Luke Cage and the supporting cast is great (slightly outshining Jones). Especially loved the evolution of Ward.
My rating of the shows so far:
1.Jessica Jones / Iron Fist
2.Luke Cage, 1st half of season
3.Daredevil Season 2
4.Luke Cage, 2nd half of season
5.Daredevil Season 1
My rating of the shows so far:
1.Jessica Jones / Iron Fist
2.Luke Cage, 1st half of season
3.Daredevil Season 2
4.Luke Cage, 2nd half of season
5.Daredevil Season 1
Finished it and liked it. It wasn't a masterpiece but neither the disaster that the critics described .
And all the talking about the "White Savior Trope"... well, if anything the show deconstructed the trope because...
So, no whitesaving by Danny
And all the talking about the "White Savior Trope"... well, if anything the show deconstructed the trope because...
Like many characters said, he is probably the worst Iron Fist in the History. He had only one job, to defend K'un-Lun and he spectacularly failed in doing so. Rather, he abandoned his post and probably condemned the city.
So, no whitesaving by Danny
I watched the first five episodes yesterday. It's definitely a slow burn and that's okay. The fact that it takes Danny three episodes to finally convince people he is whom he says he is works well since its realistic. The fights are okay. I'm okay with less stylized fights. After watching the realistic combat of Kurasowa and even some of the brutal fights in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, stylized combat has always seemed fake.
That said, none of the characters are that interesting. With eight episodes to go I hope this will change. I'd like more information on Kunlun and more of the supernatural and mystical elements of the comics but with Netflix MCU's reliance on realism, I'm not sure that will be forthcoming.
I don't know what show the critics have been watching but Iron Fist is not nearly as bad as they've claimed.
That said, none of the characters are that interesting. With eight episodes to go I hope this will change. I'd like more information on Kunlun and more of the supernatural and mystical elements of the comics but with Netflix MCU's reliance on realism, I'm not sure that will be forthcoming.
I don't know what show the critics have been watching but Iron Fist is not nearly as bad as they've claimed.
Just finished it. It was entertaining. I liked the cast. Some plot points were predictable, but no more so that other Marvel/Netflix/ABC shows. Not sure what the critics didn't like, as I didn't read the reviews, only saw the headlines. It wasn't as dark, down and grim as the other MCU Netflix series. And don't think they all should be. Finn was fine as Danny. A little naive and childish, but that worked with what he was supposed to be.
I loved how often people used idiot referring to him. He had good intentions, but seriously, what an idiot!
