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Balance of terror, balance of evidence?

...Might be they sent Remans out to defy Kirk this time around, remembering what had happened the last two times they tried to challenge the man. :devil:

A century after the Romulan war there was still a string of fortified bases monitoring the neutral zone, monitoring a enemy that hadn't made a "peep" in a hundred years. That does give the Romulan war a special status over other wars.

Only until we learn of another string of fortified bases associated with another war, though. Or whatever form of vigilance would take the place of outdated fortification chains in other places and times.

We still are very much stuck with the fact that Trek has all these old wars nobody ever heard about, until we do. The Romulan War is the archetype of that, but not unique by any means, not "until not proven otherwise", which by definition will never happen.

The neutral zone we see in TWOK could have been a limited area along the otherwise neutral zone free Federation/Empire border.

It's a 3D structure, though, with an inside and an outside. That's a bit problematic in terms of it being a "stretch" of a bigger whole.

I've been think about the plasma weapon. If the BOP was a sublight only ship, it obviously can fire a warp capable weapon. This could be like a modern naval vessel with a top speed of 35 knots, being capable of firing a high mach speed missile.

Unless we go by the idea that the fight took place so deep insystem that "emergency warp" was slower than lightspeed, "Tomorrow is Yesterday" and ST4:TVH style. While I'd hate to bring back the "Romulan Star Empire encompasses all of one star system if that" model, there still is that comet with a tail to prove there's a star right next to it...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Nope. Enterprise is just one of five Star Trek TV shows. It expands and informs what we know from TOS.

How can a species who made one appearance in Season one and appearance in Season three be called a "primary foe"? :lol:

Well technically they did appear in season two, but that Xindi rubbish I'm sure didn't happen in the original timeline!
JB
 
Actuall, Romii is one spelling of the Greek word for Romans and is the way the citizens of the Eastern Roman Empire referred to themselves. So, on the map, you have a reference to the Latin Romans (Romulus, mythical founder of Rome) and the Greek Romans (Greek name for Romans.) Seems unlikely to me that this was a coincidence.

Paul Schneider created The Romulans when he realised his son was studying them in his history class at school apparently! So that's why there are some distinct similarities!
JB
 

Why? For one The Romulan ships appeared in the neutral zone when The Enterprise, under Stocker's command cross into their space (even if it was footage from BOT) The Xindi attack would have been monumental and mentioned over and over again in the history tapes and let us not forget the mysterious aliens in the future guiding events off the correct timeline!
JB
 
Why? For one The Romulan ships appeared in the neutral zone when The Enterprise, under Stocker's command cross into their space (even if it was footage from BOT) The Xindi attack would have been monumental and mentioned over and over again in the history tapes and let us not forget the mysterious aliens in the future guiding events off the correct timeline!
JB
It's a TV show, they make up the "history" as they go along, There's no masterplan, no history book, no archeological information to collect and examine.
But if you need an "in-universe" reason. We see the adventures of one ship in one small speck of the universe. We don't see the entire History of Earth, the Federation and Starfleet. All we see is the information relevant to that episode. The Xindi attack isn't relevant to Stocker's misadventure in the Neutral Zone. There's no reason it should be mentioned. Any more than an incident in the Revolutionary War should be mentioned by soldiers in WWII.

ETA: I've seen the episode countless times. I know why Stocker was there and the Romulan ships were there. If you followed my posts in the thread that should be evident and not why I asked
"Why?"
 
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Nope, the Tzenkethi were never indicated to be an ancient or formative enemy. The Kzinti were specified to have been that in the TAS episode you mention. And it doesn't matter much in that respect whether Trek can use the Kzinti ever again - although it very well might, and it almost happened in ENT already, in a script tentatively dubbed "Kilkenny Cats".

Timo Saloniemi

Are you sure? Telling me I'm wrong doesn't make me so.

Ancient may be the wrong word. The Fereration and ther Tzenkethi had fought a war years prior to the episode they were first mentioned in.


Seems to have been more a border skirmish than a large scale war against a formative foe.

DS9 "The Adversary" Captain's log, stardate 48962.5. We are twelve hours from the border. I haven't been in this area since the last Federation-Tzenkethi war. Being here brings back a lot of memories, most of them bad.

"Last Federation-Tzenkethi war" implies there was more than one conflict. It also appears Sisko fought in that last war.

This, essentially. The BTS of DS9 was that the Tzenkethi were a replacement species for the Kzinti, which they couldn't use. Any and all references to the Kzinti, up to the introduction of the Tzenkethi, were to have been retroactively been the Tzenkethi instead. As this was just BTS, it isn't canon, but it's part of my headcanon, and others' as well.
 
Why? For one The Romulan ships appeared in the neutral zone when The Enterprise, under Stocker's command cross into their space (even if it was footage from BOT) The Xindi attack would have been monumental and mentioned over and over again in the history tapes and let us not forget the mysterious aliens in the future guiding events off the correct timeline!
JB

The Klingons were apparently the Federations' biggest enemies in TOS and had been for decades...we didn't hear a word about them before "Errand of Mercy".
 
Are you sure?

Yes.

Telling me I'm wrong doesn't make me so.

It does if I quote facts that contradict your claims. Opinions are like assholes, as the good old saying goes - everyone having one doesn't count for much.

This, essentially. The BTS of DS9 was that the Tzenkethi were a replacement species for the Kzinti, which they couldn't use.

What made it onscreen does not support this in the slightest, though. Plus, see the MA article: the writer's intent had no connection to the felinoids, other than using the consonant cluster of their name as an element in creating the alien-sounding new species name. There never was any "replacement for the Kzinti" nonsense there.

Any and all references to the Kzinti, up to the introduction of the Tzenkethi, were to have been retroactively been the Tzenkethi instead. As this was just BTS, it isn't canon, but it's part of my headcanon, and others' as well.

Not BTS. Purely headcanon.

Timo Saloniemi
 
And the only reference ever to the Kzinti was in TAS "The Slaver Weapon."

Kor
 
There's another in "The Infinite Vulcan", where the Augment Stavos Keniclius (or one of his clones at any rate) contests Kirk's claim that there has been peace in the Federation for over a hundred years:

"What about the Eugenics Wars? The galactic wars? What of the depredations of the Romulans, the Klingons and the Kzinti?"

We may debate what this recluse really should know about galactic affairs within the past centuries. Kirk responds to Keniclius with a challenge of his own, after all:

"You're the fifth Keniclius. What makes you so sure what you believe is truth isn't just old news? Your predecessors could have been out of touch with our advances for two centuries."

Since this challenge is not met with a reply (Kirk is lying about the peace, but the Augment probably can't know that), we might deduce that all the wars and foes the Augment listed preceded the episode by two centuries. But considering what we learn of the Kzinti elsewhere in TAS, of the Romulans in TOS and of the Klingons in ENT - that is, that it all happened a bit over a century before the episode, but not yet two - we can accept that Keniclius is no doubt out of date but is entitled to knowing about these things. The Kzinti certainly seem to rank among the "formatives" here...

Timo Saloniemi
 
As stated, it was BTS, and not onscreen. But if it were only my headcanon, such magazines as STAR TREK The Magazine would not have reported on it, which they did.
 
Maybe the Vulcans were actively trying to cover it up? Could have reflected badly on them for understandable reasons.
 
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