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Netflix greenlights new "Lost in Space"

Yes. It's clear enough that the only reason for the time travel plotline was to justify having Mumy play Old Will.
But that seems to have never been their intention. I'm very confused.

Having watched both pilots and the movie pretty much back to back, the movie seems like a love letter to LiS fans, that they then rejected as LiS INO. (Lost in Space in Name Only.)

I saw LiS (TV) when I was <5. So I remember some basics, but it wasn't something I ever hung on to. But watching the pilot(s) it seemed to be trying for much harder sci fi than it turned out. Certainly more than it's reputation ever held on to.
 
^ I figured Mumy's absence was a salary negotiation that fell through considering he's the only one of the original cast that did not make a cameo I figured that role was intended for him.
 
John(ny) Williams' theme tune variants are the only thing about the original for which I have any nostalgia. Even as a child, I found Lost in Space cheesy, formulaic, forgettable fare, which was also my reaction to Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and Land of the Giants. I preferred Doctor Who (Hartnell and Troughton era) -- also cheesy but less repetitive- - with a kickarse theme tune, of course. The movie of LiS was a valiant, but failed attempt to resuscitate the corpse and it'll be interesting to see how this latest incarnation gets on.
 
Having watched both pilots and the movie pretty much back to back, the movie seems like a love letter to LiS fans, that they then rejected as LiS INO. (Lost in Space in Name Only.)

"Love letters" don't always make good stories. See Star Trek: Enterprise's series finale, for example. Nostalgia alone won't carry you if you don't have a story that works on its own merits.

And nostalgia can be for the wrong things. Yes, the movie followed the superficial plot beats of the first few episodes, but it totally failed to capture the characters, replacing the loving and supportive family of the show with a bunch of dysfunctional, unpleasant people that it was hard to give a damn about. So it was only true to the surface of the show, not its spirit.


I saw LiS (TV) when I was <5. So I remember some basics, but it wasn't something I ever hung on to. But watching the pilot(s) it seemed to be trying for much harder sci fi than it turned out. Certainly more than it's reputation ever held on to.

That's pretty standard for Irwin Allen shows -- to have a lot of care and thoughtfulness put into the early episodes, but then to get lazy, slapdash, and silly over time.


^ I figured Mumy's absence was a salary negotiation that fell through considering he's the only one of the original cast that did not make a cameo I figured that role was intended for him.

Jonathan Harris didn't have a cameo either. His ego wouldn't let him settle for a mere cameo; he wanted to play Dr. Smith. The role of Smith's handler, the one he reported to in virtual reality (IIRC), was written for Harris.
 
Jonathan Harris didn't have a cameo either. His ego wouldn't let him settle for a mere cameo; he wanted to play Dr. Smith. The role of Smith's handler, the one he reported to in virtual reality (IIRC), was written for Harris.
It would've been great if he showed up and was given a special guest star credit.
 
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Puh-lease. I feel he ruined the show. And you can't blame Irwin Allen, because in MANY interviews, Harris said it was he who developed and pushed the (Clown) Smith that dominated Seasons 2 and 3.
 
Puh-lease. I feel he ruined the show. And you can't blame Irwin Allen, because in MANY interviews, Harris said it was he who developed and pushed the (Clown) Smith that dominated Seasons 2 and 3.

Yes, and it's a shame they indulged him in that, because he was really extremely good at playing the original, more cunning and malicious Smith from the early episodes. He would've been good as Iago in Othello. Some actors only do their best work if they have directors/producers who can ride herd on them and keep their ego and self-indulgence in check -- which means their work suffers if they get popular enough that nobody's able to say "no" to them anymore.
 
I'm kind of surprised the later Smith was Harris's idea, it seems like in most situations like that I've come across it was the other way around. The actor signed on for a darker, more serious role and then got frustrated as they were forced to become sillier as time went on.
 
Harris wasn't the only actor who got goofier and more annoying when allowed to get more self-indulgent. Johnny Depp and Kevin Sorbo spring to mind.
 
I'm kind of surprised the later Smith was Harris's idea, it seems like in most situations like that I've come across it was the other way around. The actor signed on for a darker, more serious role and then got frustrated as they were forced to become sillier as time went on.

His thought that if he remained the evil Smith longer, they'd have no choice but to get rid of Smith after a point, be at at the end of the first season, in the middle, or whenever. If he made Smith weak and cowardly and the comic relief, he could survive. He just went too far. BUT unfortunately, then the producers and writers and more importantly the network saw that it was now family oriented show (rather than the darker 1st half of season 1) and said to keep it up. Plus, ABC's campy hit, Batman told them camp was in. Back in the 60's you really didn't have shows that had a series regular a murderous sabotaging villain. Now a days, it's standard.
 
BUT unfortunately, then the producers and writers and more importantly the network saw that it was now family oriented show (rather than the darker 1st half of season 1) and said to keep it up.

It was always meant to be a family-oriented show, and it was never "dark." It was just played straight as a survival adventure-drama, in the vein of its inspiration The Swiss Family Robinson, instead of as comedy or camp.
 
In that era, most TV was family-oriented.

By today's standards, sure, but it's important to distinguish between modern perceptions and the perceptions of the time. By '60s standards, something like Gunsmoke or I Spy or Star Trek was adult drama. But Lost in Space was absolutely, always meant to be for children and families, just like all Irwin Allen shows were. The only adult-oriented science fiction shows that had ever existed on American TV before Star Trek were all anthologies -- The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, Science Fiction Theater.
 
I don't know if I'd call the original timeless, it's pretty old and cheesy looking to me now.

It's timeless if you're looking at it as trying to represent some sort of speculative fiction. If you remove the speculative part of it and just look at it as art for art's sake, it's no worse than, let's say, the look of Metropolis or Forbidden Planet.

The problem with more modern stuff is it has sort of a vanilla quality to it. It doesn't age itself into a cool retro vibe (what you call cheesy). It just looks boring after a while. A lot of this is the way modern has tended to shy away from bright colors. This is especially true with comic book movies where all uniforms tend to be some shade of gray (including Superman who looks like he flew into a dirty chimney).
 
Also keep in mind it's original time slot. Wednesdays at 7:30pm Eastern. Not exactly a place for dark and gritty.
 
The original unaired Lost In Space pilot episode "No Place to Hide" was quite dark. No wonder it was never broadcast in the 60's. The show was reworked and the first aired episode "The Reluctant Stowaway" was quite different.
 
Yes, and it's a shame they indulged him in that, because he was really extremely good at playing the original, more cunning and malicious Smith from the early episodes. He would've been good as Iago in Othello. Some actors only do their best work if they have directors/producers who can ride herd on them and keep their ego and self-indulgence in check -- which means their work suffers if they get popular enough that nobody's able to say "no" to them anymore.

An interview I saw with Harris once, he said Irwin saw what he was doing, and told him "More! More!"
 
I just found out Jared Harris was dubbed in LiS '98. I'm sure that made him more terrible than he was. Ergh.
 
The thing with Smith it was both the reason it was successful AND the reason why it jumped the shark. The same could be said of Fonzie overtaking Richie on Happy Days (which led to the term jumping the shark in the first place). For a half a century now fans have theorized what heights LiS might have reached had it stayed more serious. I think a big part of the appeal of that is it remains a figment of people's imaginations and not something we ever saw. Fantasies are always better than reality.

One Irwin Allen show that stayed serious was Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Even when it was silly, it was played straight, and I think the end result comes across as a little flat, like a stereotypical horror B-movie stretched into a series. LiS early episodes have a similar vibe, only softened with an overlay of wholesome family values. The injection of humor from Smith and the Robot--up to a point--helped add warmth and whimsy to the show. It's all about finding the right balance.

If the new show goes hardcore dark and edgy, it may wind up being a case of "be careful what you wish for" as far as something sounding good in theory and not so good in reality. We'll see.
 
The thing with Smith it was both the reason it was successful AND the reason why it jumped the shark. The same could be said of Fonzie overtaking Richie on Happy Days (which led to the term jumping the shark in the first place). For a half a century now fans have theorized what heights LiS might have reached had it stayed more serious. I think a big part of the appeal of that is it remains a figment of people's imaginations and not something we ever saw. Fantasies are always better than reality.

One Irwin Allen show that stayed serious was Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Even when it was silly, it was played straight, and I think the end result comes across as a little flat, like a stereotypical horror B-movie stretched into a series. LiS early episodes have a similar vibe, only softened with an overlay of wholesome family values. The injection of humor from Smith and the Robot--up to a point--helped add warmth and whimsy to the show. It's all about finding the right balance.

The thing is, there's a difference between being humorous and being campy -- and between good camp and bad camp. The show had already moved toward a more humorous interpretation of Smith by the middle of the first season, but it was still vastly better than what came afterward, because it wasn't camp yet, just humor. They already had the right balance you're talking about, but then they lost it in season 2. In an attempt to compete with Batman, the second season embraced extreme campiness and absurdity, and it became awful as a result. It's not about humor vs. seriousness; it's about changing from a style of humor that worked reasonably well to a style of "humor" that was just obnoxious and stupid. The mistake they made was trying to copy a different show's approach, which rarely works well. Both LiS and The Man from U.N.C.L.E. adopted a campier approach in their 1966-7 seasons in an attempt to copy Batman's success, and both did a poor job of it and suffered in quality as a result. They compromised their own voices and identities and failed to capture what worked about the thing they were trying to imitate.

I think the reason Batman's campiness worked was because it was anchored in something specific and cohesive -- it was a rather faithful representation of the storytelling style of Silver Age comic books, playing their tropes so literally and with such exaggerated seriousness that it became absurd. But since it was reflecting a real, ongoing genre, that gave it structure and focus. Its absurdities were largely based on specific tropes from the comics, and from the '40s movie serials whose revival inspired the creation of the show. It also had a fair degree of satire of things going on in the real world, like political campaigns and pop art. But LiS's camp was more unfocused. It was just whatever random nonsense the writers thought up as a catalyst for Dr. Smith's antics. Perhaps if they'd picked a specific genre to lampoon and pastiche -- say, if their writers had been familiar with pulp sci-fi and monster comics and had done the show as an exaggerated spoof/satire of those tropes -- that would've given its absurdity more focus and purpose. The camp would actually have worked the way camp is supposed to work, as a send-up of some kind of establishment or convention. It would've been more than just random inanity.
 
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