What's in YOUR 'head canon'?

[Tracy Trek]

even considering that many things that people used to take care of in person, over the phone, or via snailmail are now only possible online (or strongly encouraged to be done online).

Sometimes there are jobs where you can only apply for on-line.

 

[MAGolding]

Yeah. When I was making my own TOS chronology a few years back, I found that Spock's biography was a bit tough, due to the Cage/Menagerie time gap, Spock being in Starfleet for "18 years" as per the writer's guide (a figure which stayed the same from season to season, apparently), and Jane Wyatt's age (She was still shy of 60 when she first played Spock's mother). No matter what option you choose, you pretty much have to contradict one of those things.

Even in my timeline I had to have Sarek & Amanda getting married when she was 18, and the 18-year gap was from 2246-2264. This jibed with Amanda's line at the beginning of "Journey To Babel" that Spock hasn't been home to visit in four years. I interpreted the 2264 visit as a failed attempt at reconciliation.

So Spock was fifteen or sixteen when he entered or applied to. the Academy in 2246, instead of 2249 in the official chronology. Thus in your version Spock could have graduated and been commissioned as early as 2250 instead of 2253. Thus he would have four years of experience at Talos IV instead of one. curiously Memory Alpha says Spock as commissioned in 2250.

 

[MAGolding]

Because Federation law requires all member worlds to have one single, global government.

There is no contradiction between a single global government and having many monarchies. Perhaps you should look up the German Empire of 1871-1918 or the United Arab Emirates or Malaysia, for example.

I remind you that India became a republic in 1950. But look at this case in the Supreme Court of India in 1952: The state of Bihar vs Maharajadhiraja Sir Kameshwar...

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/49043/

Sir Kameshwar...(I couldn't find the rest of his name in the citation) is given the title of Maharajadhiraja in a case at the Suprme Court of India and thus should be legally entitled to the title of Maharajadhiraja. And the title of Maharajadhiraja means "Great King of Kings".

And there is the Supreme Court case of H.H. Maharajadhiraja Madhav Rao....vs Union of India, 15 December 1970.

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/660275/

In 2011 13-year-old Padmanabh Singh became the new Majaraja (or great king) of Jaipur despite royal rule having been abolished long ago and royal titles not being recognized by the government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/26/jaipur-maharaja-padmanabh-singh

It seems safe to say that the number of monarchs in the Republic of India is far greater than the number of sovereign governments - one - in the Republic of Indian.

Thus the number of monarchs (most having families of princes and princesses) in a science fiction planet can be fewer, equal to, or more than the number of single, global governments on that planet, which has to be one.

 

[MAGolding]

The hull numbers ncc1701-B and ncc1701-C are two entirely different hull numbers and there's no problem with them both being in commission at the same.time.This is the first time I've heard this suggested, is there anything to back up Spock being the second officer?Amanda was actually Spock's step mother, his birth mother (Sarek's previous wife) was also a Human, as was Spock's second step mother Perin.

I have no problems with the Enterprises B and C possibly having overlapping careers.

As for Spock being the second officer as early as the Talos IV Incident, who was shown to be the acting commander of the Enterprise after Number One was kidnapped by the Talosians in "Menagerie"? Nobody was stated to be the acting commander in the episode, but there is this scene:

[Transporter room]

PITCAIRN: Sir, it just came on. We can't shut the power off.
SPOCK: Mister Spock here.
TYLER [OC]: All power has come on, Mister Spock. The helm is answering to control.
(first Colt, then Number One are beamed aboard)
??: The captain.

Note that Tyler on the bridge calls Spock in the transporter room to tell him power has been restored. This sort of implies that Spock is now the acting commander.

And in "The Cage" is this scene:

[Bridge]

SPOCK: Address intercraft.
GARISON: Open, sir.
SPOCK: This is the acting captain speaking. We have no choice now but to consider the safety of this vessel and the remainder of the crew. We're leaving. All decks prepare for hyperdrive. Time warp factor.
TYLER: Mister Spock, the ship's controls have gone dead.

Spock identifies himself as the acting captain.

And in the description of the characters for the series based on "the Cage" Spock was described as third in command.

So your head cannon is that:

Amanda was actually Spock's step mother, his birth mother (Sarek's previous wife) was also a Human, as was Spock's second step mother Perin.

I think that is a goofy theory. As goofy as my Star Wars theory that Princess Leia Organa had two stepmothers, successive wives of Bail Organa. Thus when Luke asked if she remembered her real mother, she thought that he meant her first stepmother who died when she was very young instead of her birth mother..

I guess I can't make fun of your goofy Star Trek head cannon without also making fun of my equally goofy Star Wars theory.

 

[Timewalker]

Amanda was actually Spock's step mother, his birth mother (Sarek's previous wife) was also a Human, as was Spock's second step mother Perin.

That's ridiculous. Even if I were to accept the garbage in Star Trek V about Sybok's existence and Sarek having married a Vulcan "princess", there is absolutely no basis for assuming that Sarek's first wife was anyone other than Amanda (obviously Star Trek V does not exist in my personal canon).

The rationalization that being first officer of that ship was better than many captaincies never washed with me. I don't remember the episode, but when Picard essentially finally asked him (not in these words), "What the hell are you still doing here?" it finally made the character seem more realistic.

My take on it was that Riker had been noticing how many starship captains were being killed lately, and decided it was safer to remain a First Officer.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

So Spock was fifteen or sixteen when he entered or applied to. the Academy in 2246, instead of 2249 in the official chronology. Thus in your version Spock could have graduated and been commissioned as early as 2250 instead of 2253. Thus he would have four years of experience at Talos IV instead of one. curiously Memory Alpha says Spock as commissioned in 2250.

Yes, that's pretty much it. I have Spock entering the Academy at 16, and graduating at 19 (According to D.C. Fontana in her novel Vulcan's Glory, Vulcans have an accelerated course at the Academy that's two years of study and one year of cadet cruises). Spock then spends 4-5 years on other ships before coming to the Enterprise in December of 2253 (again jibing with Vulcan's Glory).

I've added this info into my TOS timeline here. I think it gives Spock a more realistic career progression than spending his entire career on the Enterprise.

 

[Kor]

It may have been a stretch for Amanda to be Spock's real mother if we assume that the character was the same age as the actress. But maybe due to advances in medical technology over the next few centuries, she just looked a little younger than her actual age.

Kor

 

[Timewalker]

It may have been a stretch for Amanda to be Spock's real mother if we assume that the character was the same age as the actress. But maybe due to advances in medical technology over the next few centuries, she just looked a little younger than her actual age.

Kor

TV and movies are full of bizarre parent-child parings when you know that the relative ages of the actors makes the whole thing preposterous if it was real life.

That's one of the things that happens on soap operas when child characters are aged (referred to as SORAS - Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome) and suddenly a character who was born 10 years ago real-time is abruptly aged 10 or 15 years. It's insane - on General Hospital, there are two child characters who used to be quite close in age, but one of them was suddenly aged a decade while the other wasn't. And there are at least two mother-child pairings where the actors are practically the same age - certainly less than 10 years' difference.

Mark Lenard once said that when he wasn't in his Sarek makeup, he and Leonard Nimoy looked more like brothers than father and son.

 

[Tracy Trek]

That's one of the things that happens on soap operas when child characters are aged (referred to as SORAS - Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome) and suddenly a character who was born 10 years ago real-time is abruptly aged 10 or 15 years.

The one I'm thinking about was on All My Children, the character was born in 1980 when his older brother is 14, I think. By 1990 he's in college. But there's now only about 9 years difference between the brothers. It wasn't quite as bad as some. Like another one involving the same character. By the time the show ends in 2011 he married to a young woman who's about the same age as his brother's sons. But they appear to be close in age. So now he's getting younger.

Mark Lenard once said that when he wasn't in his Sarek makeup, he and Leonard Nimoy looked more like brothers than father and son.

I think I saw that interview. He said, "I'm not old enought to be his father".

 

[Kor]

Lenard was only seven years older than Nimoy. But Vulcans have much longer lifespans and age more slowly. You wouldn't have a 102-year old actor playing a 102-year old Vulcan.

Kor

 

[Cyke101]

Considering that the ship was in excellent condition almost every week no matter how many battles and anomalies and space organisms they faced, and that they had no Starbases for support, Voyager must have had the best repair teams in Starfleet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ And/or there were plenty of friendly alien races along the way which could help with repairs, trading for raw materials & energy, etc.

FWIW, they wanted to do "Year of Hell" as an entire season, but the network bean-counters wouldn't let them.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

It may have been a stretch for Amanda to be Spock's real mother if we assume that the character was the same age as the actress.

I think in the case of my timeline, I was going from the description of Amanda in the script of "Journey to Babel." And I know that Fontana described Amanda as being in her 40s in the "Cage" era sequences in Vulcan's Glory.

 

[I am not Spock]

I consider all series and movies canon, including TAS. The Kelvinverse I consider an alternate universe, not an altered timeline (even pre - Narada, the Kelvin and its uniforms look so different from anything we saw in Prime).

I consider some novels and comics canon.

I consider some video games canon. Elite Force I really want to be canon . Lol

 

[I am not Spock]

I consider some of the fan films canon. Particularly Phase 2/New Voyages, Continues , and Prelude to Axanar

 

[Phoenix219]

I consider some of the fan films canon. Particularly Phase 2/New Voyages, Continues , and Prelude to Axanar

Gods and Men, at least the bookends, are canon to me. I liked Uhura's happy ending.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Gods and Men, at least the bookends, are canon to me. I liked Uhura's happy ending.

Was that the one where Uhura was....

Spoiler

Married to Stonn?

 

[Phoenix219]

Was that the one where Uhura was....

Spoiler

Married to Stonn?

Yup.

Spoiler

I liked the idea of an Enterprise "M" Museum ship; i liked the post Generations setting of the bookends; I liked seeing the Enterprise B's Captain, and seeing the impact Kirk had on all of the Federation, and that the Enterprise bonded these people together as family beyond time and space. All the nods to the original series were amazing and there are only two mild gripes.... it needs a remastering for its FX already; its PS2 cut scene style battle scenes are hard to follow.... and god, do I wish they had gotten gotten Gary Lockwood to reprise the role. Still,

this one is fan film gold IMO.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Yup.

Spoiler

I liked the idea of an Enterprise "M" Museum ship; i liked the post Generations setting of the bookends; I liked seeing the Enterprise B's Captain, and seeing the impact Kirk had on all of the Federation, and that the Enterprise bonded these people together as family beyond time and space. All the nods to the original series were amazing and there are only two mild gripes.... it needs a remastering for its FX already; its PS2 cut scene style battle scenes are hard to follow.... and god, do I wish they had gotten gotten Gary Lockwood to reprise the role. Still,

this one is fan film gold IMO.

Also in this one, didn't...

Spoiler

Cirroc Lofton of DS9 fame play Uhura's part Vulcan son or grandson? I only saw part of it. I'm guessing Stonn is supposed to be the same one from the original series. Did he throw T'Pring to the curb? If so I guess he found out Spock was right. Having is not as good as wanting after all or however he put it. I saw part of another one called Renegades. Where a very elderly Admiral Chekov is talking to Admiral Paris.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Can we broaden this thread to include head canon from shows that have no Trek connection? Because I've got some ideas...