The truth about Discovery and the Prime universe.

[a thousand-yard stare]

They were hardly portrayed as the Human's "masters". Were that the actual relationship, there never would have been an NX-01 nor a Warp 5 Engine project. They were advisors who the Humans listened to, but in the end, the Humans did what they wanted to. Also, I think the ENT portrayal of Vulcans was spot on and well done. They took their ques from TOS (and episodes like "Amok Time" and "Journey to Babel" where we saw full Vulcans interacting with Humans.) On TOS they were very much shown as proud, sometimes arrogant, and always looking down a bit at other races who didn't share their wholly 'logical/dispassionate' view of the Universe.

Even in ST:2009.
"Spock is in front of the Vulcan Council)
MINISTER: You have surpassed the expectations of your instructors. Your final record is flawless. With one exception, I see that you have applied to Starfleet as well.
SPOCK: It was logical to cultivate multiple options.
MINISTER: Logical but unnecessary. You're hereby accepted to the Vulcan Science Academy. It is truly remarkable, Spock, that you have achieved so much, despite your disadvantage. All rise!
SPOCK: If you would clarify, Minister. To what disadvantage are you referring?
MINISTER: Your Human mother.
SPOCK: Council, Ministers, I must decline..."

A lifespan of 200 years - attitudes and opinions would take a long time to completely change

And.

"As a talented outsider with the full backing of the studio Abrams and his people succeeded. Enterprise's producers had been working on Trek far too long to see their way as clearly forward, and couldn't really break with the past."

Hence TATV, their 'valentine' to TNG fans - fans of their (almost) unalloyed success; the only fans that counted with them

 

[Phoenix219]

The only reason that TOS doesn't look more "modern" with touchscreens and LED screens and even 'splosions, is that there simply wasn't money or the tech sufficient to do it. That's also why Klingons got forehead ridges in TMP -- because all of a sudden Roddenberry had a real budget. TOS only looks the way it does because they had barely enough money to dry-clean the uniforms.

So worrying about how updated or modern the show is going to look just seems like wasted energy. Expecting Star Trek prequels to look exactly like TOS is just kind of funny to me.

If they actually cared, a balance could definitely be reached. The ship model is absolutely *fine* the way it is, first of all. (TOS Connies.) The 2009 uniforms aren't bad updates on the originals and prove you can stay true to the spirit of the original while doing an update. The bridge could be built to the same specs as TOS - floorplan wise - with all the consoles, screens, buttons, controls, mounts, chairs and rails in the proper places - but with sleek modern looking hardware and graphics. You could totally give a modern, sleek look to the classic Cage/TOS era while staying completely true to canon.

 

[Mudd]

Hence TATV, their 'valentine' to TNG fans - fans of their (almost) unalloyed success; the only fans that counted with them

No "almost" about it.

 

[BillJ]

If Discovery has seat belts, it will be proof it doesn't take place in the Prime universe.

 

[jaime]

If Discovery has seat belts, it will be proof it doesn't take place in the Prime universe.

Can it have fold down leg grabbing ones as an experimental upgrade?
To be fair, I think I would like DSC more if it leaned to the movies aesthetics. And it would still make sense. The enterprise was hardly a new ship in TOS after all, and the federation may have been having one of its trends towards bright colours era like it early TNG.

 

[Number One]

If they actually cared, a balance could definitely be reached. The ship model is absolutely *fine* the way it is, first of all. (TOS Connies.) The 2009 uniforms aren't bad updates on the originals and prove you can stay true to the spirit of the original while doing an update. The bridge could be built to the same specs as TOS - floorplan wise - with all the consoles, screens, buttons, controls, mounts, chairs and rails in the proper places - but with sleek modern looking hardware and graphics. You could totally give a modern, sleek look to the classic Cage/TOS era while staying completely true to canon.

I agree. For the life of me, I could never understand why people bring up stuff like "toilet paper roll" and the like when there is a discussion on the original ship. Which is partially a sacrilege even, considering all trek iterations use that same design principles of the Original despite the building materials(which was normal for similar productions and budgets of the time). Design-wise, there is simply nothing but brilliance to those designs, all things considered.

 

[Mudd]

It'll be interesting to see, when Enterprise-like ships show up on Discovery, just how they approach revising and updating the look.

 

[Number One]

Nu Trek? not the TOS Trek movies?

No, that's the Kelvinverse. I had to go check on it and why it bugs me so much and it seems to be mostly the top piece and some stuff attached to it, that you can't spot while watching the movies and previous pics of it I've seen didn't emphasize on these elements much. Dunno, maybe it's other reasons I can't spot immediatelly, like the color contrasts.

 

[jaime]

It'll be interesting to see, when Enterprise-like ships show up on Discovery, just how they approach revising and updating the look.

Do you mean constitution classes or ships from ENT? In both cases there's pre-existing assets, so doubt there will be any change for the outside of the ships at all.

 

[Gepard]

Do you mean constitution classes or ships from ENT? In both cases there's pre-existing assets, so doubt there will be any change for the outside of the ships at all.

1.) Different VFX houses will be working on DSC who don't have those assets.

2.) The ENT assets were built for LightWave, which is functionally dead in the VFX industry.

3.) Old assets are redesigned and rebuilt all the time in VFX even if the old ones are on-hand. Especially for a new production.

They are not going to grab the extant ENT and TOS-R assets and plug them into DSC. Ever.

 

[F. King Daniel]

If they changed the Klingons, I suspect they'll similarly change the USS Enterprise, should she make a cameo.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Do you mean constitution classes or ships from ENT? In both cases there's pre-existing assets, so doubt there will be any change for the outside of the ships at all.

I'm sure if a Constitution class shows up, it won't look *exactly* like those in TOS. It will look like it was always "supposed to", however -- i.e. updated for a 2017 audience, but still easily recognizable.

 

[Jedman67]

I'm sure if a Constitution class shows up, it won't look *exactly* like those in TOS. It will look like it was always "supposed to", however -- i.e. updated for a 2017 audience, but still easily recognizable.

Unless it looks exactly the same, it's not real star trek and must be boycotted. Period!

 

[Mudd]

Do you mean constitution classes or ships from ENT? In both cases there's pre-existing assets, so doubt there will be any change for the outside of the ships at all.

Ships like the TOS Enterprise.

You're talking about stuff like a CG model used years ago, in-house, for the TOS remasters...so, no. They'll go with whatever they think serves their new vision - that's what they're doing so far.

 

[Kemaiku]

I think they'll try and keep something "iconic" in the appearance of the Connie for nostalgia's sake, while updating the mechanics of the design. Nothing as drastic as the JJ version but not being tied down by the TOS version.

The NX class though, that's anyones guess. I like it myself but no ones that attached to it that they won't change it entirely.

 

[Jedman67]

i'd guess it'd be fairly close to the original, just higher resolution and more detailing than on the original. Think "classic but if they'd had more money and better cameras". Since this isn't TOS, any attempt to bring in such an iconic classic would likely be done for the nostalgia value, and if you're doing nostalgia, then you're trying to please the old-timers (who won't be fooled by this newfangled nonsense anyway).

 

[Noname Given]

They are not going to grab the extant ENT and TOS-R assets and plug them into DSC. Ever.

If CBS still has them, and they're easily usable or convertible to whatever rendering software being used - they probably will. Why spend time/money creating a new model if a perfectly good one already exists?

 

[Gepard]

If CBS still has them, and they're easily usable or convertible to whatever rendering software being used - they probably will. Why spend time/money creating a new model if a perfectly good one already exists?

Because they're never going to use the old designs. They'll redesign the look of the TOS-era hardware, just as they've redesigned everything else we've seen so far.

I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong on this.

 

[Noname Given]

Because they're never going to use the old designs. They'll redesign the look of the TOS-era hardware, just as they've redesigned everything else we've seen so far.

I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong on this.

Again, I don't see why they'd redesign the exterior of any Constitution Class ship. They haven't in the past for any of the 1987-2005 Star Trek series and I don't think anyone can claim the 1701 from TOS DOESN'T look "futuristic". But, we'll see. Personally I think you'll need salt for your hat when you eat it.

 

[Kor]

If CBS still has them, and they're easily usable or convertible to whatever rendering software being used - they probably will. Why spend time/money creating a new model if a perfectly good one already exists?

Because they're no longer "perfectly good" by 2017 industry standards.

Kor