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The truth about Discovery and the Prime universe.

Mr. Laser Beam said:
Rather amusing that ENT can be slammed by one group of fans for being TOO canon, and by another group for not being canon ENOUGH. They can't win, can they? :lol:

Probably the same thing will apply to DSC... :sigh:
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If a Trek show is too faithful to what's come before, it's derivative and uninspiring. If it deviates too much from what's come before, it's betraying the fans and the franchise. Star Trek is the worst and everything is terrible. :brickwall:
 
Number One said:
They really didn't.
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They really did.

The show's main failing was that it was too conservative.

The producers had a sense of how to fix Star Trek that would not turn out to be too different in concept from some of the things that Abrams would do later: go back to basics, an earlier and putatively more adventurous era, aboard a ship with a crew that paralleled the TOS crew, and try to address fannish concerns with continuity by hand-waving some kind of alternate history.

As a talented outsider with the full backing of the studio Abrams and his people succeeded. Enterprise's producers had been working on Trek far too long to see their way as clearly forward, and couldn't really break with the past.
 
Serveaux said:
As a talented outsider with the full backing of the studio Abrams and his people succeeded. Enterprise's producers had been working on Trek far too long to see their way as clearly forward, and couldn't really break with the past.
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I'm not sure which producers you're speaking of specifically, but I don't think Braga and Coto (maybe Berman?) are really to blame. Braga in particular has talked about how the studio heads were very restrictive in what kind of content they could do, how far they could go, and imposed certain concepts that Braga was forced to include, like the Temporal Cold War. According to Bakula, he was told that "captains can't bleed" during the early filming days, which is just nuts. Montgomery talks about how he had an emotional scene when he grieves for his father's death, and the editors cut it because "Starfleet officers are supposed to maintain their composure" or something like that. Braga talks about how he wished they could have been a little grittier, a little darker. Another example is Braga wanted to start the show on Earth and the launching of the Enterprise would've happened mid-season or at the end of season 1. But that didn't fly with the studio, so it didn't happen.

^Took a lot of this from the round table discussion in the blu-ray special features.
 
To be honest I'd be 100% happy if it was an alternate universe TOS Trek.

One of the biggest problems with Enterprise as a prequel is that it really didn't use it's setting to the best effect. Yes it was before shields, phasers and photon torpedoes, but they just had them using something that fulfilled the same role. The polarized hull plating even had the percentage countdown. It honestly didn't feel like their tech was a disadvantage.
 
It's true that all Star Trek eras are fundamentally the same, which is why calls for "moving forward" always are so funny.

We've already seen the Temporal Federation or whatever the hell they called the 30th century, and it's just like the 23rd. :lol:
 
fireproof78 said:
Same here. I would take the JJVerse bridge or the Kelvin bridge over any of the post-TNG bridge designs.
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The Kelvin bridge is as opposite to the nuEnterprise bridge as night and day (literally). So is the Franklin bridge. (That doesn't mean that you can't like both of them, only that they're quite different.)
 
Captain of the USS Averof said:
The Kelvin bridge is as opposite to the nuEnterprise bridge as night and day (literally). So is the Franklin bridge. (That doesn't mean that you can't like both of them, only that they're quite different.)
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Yes they are. And I like them both and would love for either to influence the Discovery's bridge. I doubt it will happen but I would like to see a mash up of Kelvin and Cage designs.

Doesn't change the fact that I prefer them over TNG era bridges.
 
The Franklin bridge is far too simple. That looked like a remarkably low-budget, but very effective, set for a movie like Beyond.
 
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Noname Given said:
Funny as we're still not paperless where I work; and I have to print and submit hardcopys of reports for my supervisors and others to read all the time.
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That also completely misses the point.

The point is that the world has moved beyond teleprinters, unless what you're saying is that your bosses force you to compose your hard copies without the benefit of a monitor at any stage. Such systems existed, but are also obsolete.

My point is that computer monitors allow text that is stored in computers to be read without the need to print it out. Computer graphic systems are not just fancy slide projectors of the kind used elsewhere in "The Cage."
 
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