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Is episode "Past Tense" an omen of a Donald Trump presidency?

Is episode "Past Tense" an omen of a Donald Trump presidency?


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We will get sanctuary districts under trump. But they'll be cleaner and much better looking than the ones in DS9. They'll be the best darned sanctuary districts you've ever seen.
 
You think it is a coincidence that the KKK endorsed Mr Trump?
I think it's meaningless.

The American population is approaching a third of a billion. The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are 190 active Klan groups in America with fewer than 8000 members.

The endorsement came from a Klan newsletter. Trump never sought the endorsement, and dismissed it after it was extend to him.

Trump referred to the newsletter as "repulsive."
 
I think it's meaningless.

The American population is approaching a third of a billion. The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are 190 active Klan groups in America with fewer than 8000 members.

The endorsement came from a Klan newsletter. Trump never sought the endorsement, and dismissed it after it was extend to him.

Trump referred to the newsletter as "repulsive."
It's quite ironic that they keep bringing up a terror group that hasn't been relevant in 50 plus years(formed by their own party I might add) while ignoring the acts of vandalism and property damage that thugs commit every time the left has a "protest."

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It's quite ironic that they keep bringing up a terror group that hasn't been relevant in 50 plus years(formed by their own party I might add) while ignoring the acts of vandalism and property damage that thugs commit every time the left has a "protest."
Who's "they"? The Southern Poverty Law Center mentioned in Tenacity's post you quoted is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit organization dedicated to cataloging and opposing hate groups, defending the victims of said groups pro bono, protecting civil rights, and providing education on civil rights and racism free of cost. They are not a wing of the Democratic Party. This is what they had to say regarding the Klan's recent activities:

—— White supremacist groups are on the rise in the U.S., according to an analysis from the Southern Poverty Law Center. The number of KKK chapters nationwide grew from 72 to 190 in 2015, bringing total active membership to between 5,000 and 8,000. Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s racist and xenophobic remarks on the campaign trail have buoyed the white supremacist movement, according to Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the SPLC.

“Trump’s demonizing statements about Latinos and Muslims have electrified the radical right, leading to glowing endorsements from white nationalist leaders such as Jared Taylor and former Klansman David Duke,” Potok wrote in February. “White supremacist forums are awash with electoral joy, having dubbed Trump their ‘Glorious Leader.’”

While inflammatory statements and public rallies get the most press coverage, more and more of the Klan’s activities are happening online. The neo-Nazi website Stormfront, which Anonymous has targeted in the past, has more than 300,000 members and is growing steadily, according to the SPLC.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anonymous-shut-down-kkk-website_us_5720c204e4b0b49df6a9b333

The racist Stormfront site mentioned above was co-founded by KKK Grand Wizard and neo-Nazi David Duke's now ex-wife, Chloê Hardin, and he maintains an account there to post articles and poll its membership. Let's see what David Duke has to say about Donald Trump:

David Duke: Voting against Trump is 'treason to your heritage'
David Duke on Trump: He's 'the best of the lot'
Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke says Donald Trump speaks “a lot more radically” than he does.


And contrary to Tenacity's claims, Donald Trump used to condemn David Duke (by name, repeatedly) and white supremacists in the past, but suddenly when they became critical to his Presidential campaign efforts and he was courting the alt-Right with his hateful rhetoric, then he'd never even heard of David Duke and was completely unfamiliar with even the concept of white supremacist groups at all as late as February of last year. Donald Trump, the greatest genius who ever walked the Earth, the man who knows more than the generals, the intelligence agencies, the police, and the government. He only finally (and reluctantly) disavowed Duke and white supremacist groups in the face of repeated questioning from the media and condemnation from anti-hate group organizations:

—— CNN’s Jake Tapper: “I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be ‘treason to your heritage.’ Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don’t want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?”

Trump: “Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. Okay? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know. I don’t know, did he endorse me or what’s going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.”

Tapper:
“But I guess the question from the Anti-Defamation League is, even if you don’t know about their endorsement, there are these groups and individuals endorsing you. Would you just say unequivocally you condemn them and you don’t want their support?”

Trump: “Well, I have to look at the group. I mean, I don’t know what group you’re talking about. You wouldn’t want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. I would have to look. If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them. And, certainly, I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong.”

Tapper: “The Ku Klux Klan?”

Trump: “But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair. So, give me a list of the groups, and I will let you know.”

Tapper: “Okay. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…”

Trump: “I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.”

— exchange on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Feb. 28 ——

And as far as the Democratic Party forming the Klan, that was true, of the first incarnation of the Klan formed by Confederate veterans and supported by Southern Democrats from 150 years ago. There have been two separate incarnations of the Klan since then, with the modern one actually forming immediately after WWII, and not disappearing into irrelevancy fifty years ago as you claim. The success of the civil rights movement didn't make them go away, it just made them change their tactics to focus more on political action than terrorism (though the former had always been part of their activities, and the letter never went away). And you know what party the modern Klan embraced because Southern Democrats had turned against them? The Republican Party. Johnson even said the Democrats had lost the South because of his support of MLK and the Civil Rights Act.

The Democratic and Republican parties completely switched platforms, demographics, support bases, and motivations beginning from the time of conservative Democrat Grover Cleveland being displaced by the original social justice warrior William Jennings Bryan in the 1896 election, and the Democratic Party merging with the People's Party. The Democrats switched from the party of smaller government and state's rights to wanting a stronger, more centralized federal government, and the Republicans went the other direction, embracing big business and deregulation at the height of industrialization. This reversal was further solidified by FDR's New Deal in the 30s and the death blow to the last remaining stragglers of the white Democratic Party in the South left with the broader Democratic Party's support of the civil rights movement. There's a reason guys like Strom Thurmond used to be Democrats but became Republicans following the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s.

So trotting out the tired 150-year outdated "But Democrats started the KKK" thing while living in denial of the fact that their current support base is overwhelmingly conservative Republicans is just a cheap distraction to not have to deal with the fact that the current President has a lot of racist supporters and specifically tailored his rhetoric to appeal to them. You said you don't even support Trump, so why are you making excuses for him? You can't work to fix a problem if you're not even willing to acknowledge its existence.

And no, this is not saying that all Trump supporters are bigots, but it's not an insignificant amount, and even the ones who aren't bigots had to live in a shroud of self-denial like is happening in this thread to hold their nose and vote for him despite his horrific bigoted rhetoric and campaign promises. Stop making excuses for his awfulness. Republicans control the House and Senate, so it's also going to require you guys contacting your Senators and Representatives to tell them that you're not okay with his bigoted rhetoric and policies.
 
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Alternative facts - there are no Sanctuary districts for the unemployed and homeless they are holiday camps for people who are resting between jobs.
Also 2 +2 = whatever I want it to equal

George Orwell was a prophet! Read 1984
 
Who's "they"? The Southern Poverty Law Center mentioned in Tenacity's post you quoted is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit organization dedicated to cataloging and opposing hate groups, defending the victims of said groups pro bono, protecting civil rights, and providing education on civil rights and racism free of cost. They are not a wing of the Democratic Party. This is what they had to say regarding the Klan's recent activities:

—— White supremacist groups are on the rise in the U.S., according to an analysis from the Southern Poverty Law Center. The number of KKK chapters nationwide grew from 72 to 190 in 2015, bringing total active membership to between 5,000 and 8,000. Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s racist and xenophobic remarks on the campaign trail have buoyed the white supremacist movement, according to Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the SPLC.

“Trump’s demonizing statements about Latinos and Muslims have electrified the radical right, leading to glowing endorsements from white nationalist leaders such as Jared Taylor and former Klansman David Duke,” Potok wrote in February. “White supremacist forums are awash with electoral joy, having dubbed Trump their ‘Glorious Leader.’”

While inflammatory statements and public rallies get the most press coverage, more and more of the Klan’s activities are happening online. The neo-Nazi website Stormfront, which Anonymous has targeted in the past, has more than 300,000 members and is growing steadily, according to the SPLC.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anonymous-shut-down-kkk-website_us_5720c204e4b0b49df6a9b333

The racist Stormfront site mentioned above was co-founded by KKK Grand Wizard and neo-Nazi David Duke's now ex-wife, Chloê Hardin, and he maintains an account there to post articles and poll its membership. Let's see what David Duke has to say about Donald Trump:

David Duke: Voting against Trump is 'treason to your heritage'
David Duke on Trump: He's 'the best of the lot'
Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke says Donald Trump speaks “a lot more radically” than he does.


And contrary to Tenacity's claims, Donald Trump used to condemn David Duke (by name, repeatedly) and white supremacists in the past, but suddenly when they became critical to his Presidential campaign efforts and he was courting the alt-Right with his hateful rhetoric, then he'd never even heard of David Duke and was completely unfamiliar with even the concept of white supremacist groups at all as late as February of last year. Donald Trump, the greatest genius who ever walked the Earth, the man who knows more than the generals, the intelligence agencies, the police, and the government. He only finally (and reluctantly) disavowed Duke and white supremacist groups in the face of repeated questioning from the media and condemnation from anti-hate group organizations:

—— CNN’s Jake Tapper: “I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be ‘treason to your heritage.’ Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don’t want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?”

Trump: “Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. Okay? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know. I don’t know, did he endorse me or what’s going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.”

Tapper:
“But I guess the question from the Anti-Defamation League is, even if you don’t know about their endorsement, there are these groups and individuals endorsing you. Would you just say unequivocally you condemn them and you don’t want their support?”

Trump: “Well, I have to look at the group. I mean, I don’t know what group you’re talking about. You wouldn’t want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. I would have to look. If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them. And, certainly, I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong.”

Tapper: “The Ku Klux Klan?”

Trump: “But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair. So, give me a list of the groups, and I will let you know.”

Tapper: “Okay. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…”

Trump: “I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.”

— exchange on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Feb. 28 ——

And as far as the Democratic Party forming the Klan, that was true, of the first incarnation of the Klan formed by Confederate veterans and supported by Southern Democrats from 150 years ago. There have been two separate incarnations of the Klan since then, with the modern one actually forming immediately after WWII, and not disappearing into irrelevancy fifty years ago as you claim. The success of the civil rights movement didn't make them go away, it just made them change their tactics to focus more on political action than terrorism (though the former had always been part of their activities, and the letter never went away). And you know what party the modern Klan embraced because Southern Democrats had turned against them? The Republican Party. Johnson even said the Democrats had lost the South because of his support of MLK and the Civil Rights Act.

The Democratic and Republican parties completely switched platforms, demographics, support bases, and motivations beginning from the time of conservative Democrat Grover Cleveland being displaced by the original social justice warrior William Jennings Bryan in the 1896 election, and the Democratic Party merging with the People's Party. The Democrats switched from the party of smaller government and state's rights to wanting a stronger, more centralized federal government, and the Republicans went the other direction, embracing big business and deregulation at the height of industrialization. This reversal was further solidified by FDR's New Deal in the 30s and the death blow to the last remaining stragglers of the white Democratic Party in the South left with the broader Democratic Party's support of the civil rights movement. There's a reason guys like Strom Thurmond used to be Democrats but became Republicans following the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s.

So trotting out the tired 150-year outdated "But Democrats started the KKK" thing while living in denial of the fact that their current support base is overwhelmingly conservative Republicans is just a cheap distraction to not have to deal with the fact that the current President has a lot of racist supporters and specifically tailored his rhetoric to appeal to them. You said you don't even support Trump, so why are you making excuses for him? You can't work to fix a problem if you're not even willing to acknowledge its existence.

And no, this is not saying that all Trump supporters are bigots, but it's not an insignificant amount, and even the ones who aren't bigots had to live in a shroud of self-denial like is happening in this thread to hold their nose and vote for him despite his horrific bigoted rhetoric and campaign promises. Stop making excuses for his awfulness. Republicans control the House and Senate, so it's also going to require you guys contacting your Senators and Representatives to tell them that you're not okay with his bigoted rhetoric and policies.

1.)The KKK of the whole United States has grown to 8000 people!!!???? Oh NO! :rolleyes:

Sorry, but out of a population of 300 million that is statistically insignificant. Meanwhile thousands of people from the left took to committing arson , looting and vandalism as recently as three days ago. For which once again you have chosen to ignore.

2.) Not a single conservative I have ever met agrees with slavery. Not one. Times change and so do the issues. A conservative in the year 2017 would not be conservative in the year 1860. Your attempt to explain away the horrible past of the Democratic party while calling Trump racist and link him to the KKk is both ironic and hypocritical.


3.) I reserve my "letters to a congressman" for jobs, health care, trade deals....things that actually matter. Hurt feelings from sore losers don't enter the equation. Sorry.
 
1.)The KKK of the whole United States has grown to 8000 people!!!???? Oh NO! :rolleyes: Sorry, but out of a population of 300 million that is statistically insignificant.
How many members of ISIS do you suppose there are out of the whole of Islam or even just Syria and Iraq? Yet that's never stopped the sarcastic cries of "religion of peace", expecting all Muslims to answer for the actions of a few, or Trump calling for a ban on all Muslims refugees and immigrants entering the US. The KKK has fluctuated in numbers and even gone away twice before and then it comes back in a new incarnation each time, and burying your head in the sand because talking about racism makes you uncomfortable (even if it's something as innocuous as a football player silently taking a knee as a protest during the National Anthem) is exactly the kind of behavior that has let it come back and gain in numbers again behind the Trump mantle. If more Republicans with a conscience had spoken out against it at the time they wouldn't have felt so emboldened to be so overtly racist in public, but instead Republicans chose to put party loyalty over loyalty to country and to the people at large (not just the ones who vote for them). It's all about winning at all costs, no matter how warped the person who's doing the winning is.

Sorry, but out of a population of 300 million that is statistically insignificant. Meanwhile thousands of people from the left took to committing arson , looting and vandalism as recently as three days ago. For which once again you have chosen to ignore.
I'm repeating that first sentence of your quote again because I don't think you're even aware that you're already contradicting yourself by the next sentence. I thought a few thousand people out of a population of tens of millions was statistically insignificant? Yet, you're completely dismissive of the actions of a racist terrorist and political organization like the KKK, but perfectly willing to condemn the whole of the left for the actions of these assholes?

What have I "once again chosen to ignore" by the way? That was my first reply in the thread, so there's no possibility of there being a previous example of me ignoring something. Besides, I was correcting what was either your utterly deficient understanding or deliberate misrepresentation of history, not addressing the rioting issue in that post. Why do you assume I would be okay with that just because it wasn't the focus of that specific post? I was commenting on how wrong and counterproductive it was elsewhere at the time it was going on, but I wasn't aware I had to personally seek out ichab and inform him of my opposition to the rioting just to soothe his concerns. Consider yourself notified in writing of my opposition to the rioting.

Also, you should be well aware by this point that there is a large number of professional agitators and anarchists (Don't believe me? Take it from a conservative site. Or from this DC-based site which explains their motives and has pics) informally called the "Black Bloc" who come out dressed head to toe in thick black riot-ready gear with bandanas, goggles, gloves, hoods, and face masks to limit the tear gas exposure and prevent identity, and who deliberately go to large national protests with the express intent of stirring shit up and provoking a police response They come out at G20 summits and WTO meetings in the US (in fact, the massive 1999 Seattle WTO protests was where they got their start and first major "success"), political conventions, the Ferguson protests and BLM events, etc. They get in the middle of peaceful protests and fuck shit up. Do you think it's a coincidence that they attacked Starbucks, Bank of America, and a limousine among other targets of wealth and corporatism? They are not indicative of the mainstream left in America, as you all reminded us repeatedly by pointing out Hillary Clinton's extensive ties to Wall Street during the campaign, before bizarrely electing the living embodiment of greed and excess to be our President. Do you actually believe the Democratic Party is anti-government? How do you line up these contradictory ideas, or do you even care just as long as you can smear the other side?

2.) Not a single conservative I have ever met agrees with slavery. Not one.
Okay? Not sure where this was even raised as an issue, so bully for you on tilting at windmills, I guess. Where did I say conservatives support slavery?

Times change and so do the issues. A conservative in the year 2017 would not be conservative in the year 1860.
No shit. That was pretty much the entire point of my argument about why it was so ridiculous of you to say "Oh, but the Democrats founded the KKK" as if that's relevant to which party has the KKK's loyalty in 2017 and which candidate was pandering to them during the election with his racist dogwhistle (or just plain overt racist) rhetoric and alt-Right advisers. Did you intend to undermine your own point there again or are you just really bad at this?

Your attempt to explain away the horrible past of the Democratic party while calling Trump racist and link him to the KKK is both ironic and hypocritical.
Oh, wait are we back to times not changing now? I can't keep track of your argument when you switch premises from one sentence to the next, though I suppose that is fitting in the United States of Trumpistan, since he and his minions constantly do the same thing.

I'm at a loss how openly admitting that the post-Civil War Democratic Party was involved in the creation of the KKK multiple times now is "explaining anything away" or "hypocritical", but whatever makes you feel like you're making a strong argument here, I guess.

Also, President Trump is a racist with direct connections to the alt-Right/KKK right now, but you'd rather I spend my time condemning Southern Democratic politicians who have been dead for almost a century and a half instead? And focusing on current events instead of event of multiple generations past (while not forgetting/dismissing the lessons of the past or being completely ignorant of it) is somehow hypocritical? Huh? You're going to have to explain this logical trainwreck of yours.

3.) I reserve my "letters to a congressman" for jobs, health care, trade deals....things that actually matter. Hurt feelings from sore losers don't enter the equation. Sorry.
That's funny, since Trump's entire campaign was primary about boosting white people's (a majority men and Christians) self-esteem in the face of women, minorities, non-Christians, and LGBTQ people gaining prominence, equity, and greater rights in the workplace, education, government, and at home, and the loss of outmoded industries and the failure to adapt to new ones, which he doesn't actually give two shits about helping anyone with. He cares so much about the little guy that one of his first official acts on day one was enabling lenders to raise lower income and middle class people's mortgage rates. Champion of the common man, that one.

What does "Make America Great Again" mean exactly? Because the economy was doing pretty great and unemployment is at it's lowest level in years, yet you'd think we were in the middle of the Depression or the last Recession again the way Trump describes it. Or you'd think we were a failed state with civil war in the streets the way he described the "carnage" in his insane Inaugural speech, despite violent crime continuing a downward trend that began in the 90s. Yes, there are places that don't see the same benefits as the country as a whole, like the industries in the Rust Belt, the violence in Chicago, the lack of infrastructure and funding in Flint; and those should be addressed, which I have no faith in an oligarch like Trump actually doing while he's using his position to line his own and his crony's pockets, or Paul Ryan with his slash and burn economic and social policies for that matter.

So what does making the country great again mean? It can't have anything to do with taking the country back from the scary black guy who led it for eight years who Trump tried to declare was not an actual citizen, right? The guy whose policies Republicans opposed even when they were just revamped versions of their own plans like Romneycare/Obamacare (and don't even get me started on ignorant people supporting the ACA but hating Obamacare just because of the name even though they're the same thing)? The guy whose Supreme Court nominee was delayed for a year even though he was a moderate previously supported by both parties (Merrick Garland)?

To go on a different track for a moment, Trump's regaining self-esteem tour for (mostly) white Christian men is fitting in that it parallels Russia's regaining self-esteem tour under Putin, which is trying to also rekindle its lost prominence by invading Crimea and East Ukraine, threatening the Baltics and Eastern Europe, aiding Assad in Syria, and undermining confidence in NATO, the EU, the UN, the US government, etc. It's funny how those two things line up like that. I sure hope Trump never gets involved with or rampantly praises and supports the Russians over even his own people, or we've got trouble. Oh, wait.

While it's disheartening that you apparently don't consider the President of the United States courting racist terrorists to be a problem, I guess it is somewhat of a relief to hear you say that you'll still contact your Congressional representatives about "jobs, health care, trade deals" and forth. Perhaps you can write them and inquire how they don't have a comprehensive plan in place to replace the ACA after trying to repeal it more than fifty times over the past six years? You'd think after the first couple of tries they would have said, "Hey, wait a minute, maybe we should come up with our own plan instead of just leaving a void that hurts our constituents?" In fact, I'll give them one they can use. It's called Romneycare. TOTALLY different thing from Obamacare and completely Republican approved. Trust me.
 
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^ ISIS, Hezbollah & The Taliban represents the whole Islamic religion just as the KKK represents all those White Christians in the USA. This is a fact, an alternate one but still a fact.
 
How many members of ISIS do you suppose there are out of the whole of Islam or even just Syria and Iraq?
Now you want to compare the KKK to ISIS? Tell tou what, when the KKK starts hijacking planes and killing innocent people NOW and commits random acts of violence NOW I'll put them on the same level of ISIS.

Yet that's never stopped the sarcastic cries of "religion of peace", expecting all Muslims to answer for the actions of a few, or Trump calling for a ban on all Muslims refugees and immigrants entering the US. The KKK has fluctuated in numbers and even gone away twice before and then it comes back in a new incarnation each time, and burying your head in the sand because talking about racism makes you uncomfortable (even if it's something as innocuous as a football player silently taking a knee as a protest during the National Anthem) is exactly the kind of behavior that has let it come back and gain in numbers again behind the Trump mantle. If more Republicans with a conscience had spoken out against it at the time they wouldn't have felt so emboldened to be so overtly racist in public, but instead Republicans chose to put party loyalty over loyalty to country and to the people at large (not just the ones who vote for them). It's all about winning at all costs, no matter how warped the person who's doing the winning is.

Hate to burst you bubble but Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania didn't flip red for the first time in twenty years due to racist Republican voters. I know it's how folks like yourself rationalize the worst event of your lives but it simply isn't true.


Also, President Trump is a racist with direct connections to the alt-Right/KKK right now, but you'd rather I spend my time condemning Southern Democratic politicians who have been dead for almost a century and a half instead?

No Id rather you spend time condemning actual terrorists in the here and now.

What does "Make America Great Again" mean exactly? Because the economy was doing pretty great and unemployment is at it's lowest level in years...

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

Perfect example of why your side lost. U.S Debt is coming close to twenty trillion dollars, the labor force participation rate is still low (sorry, but not counting people who give up looking for work isn't going to fly with the public particularly when they are actually living it) and 21 percent of the country is on governmenf assistance. Plus we were still losing jobs overseas which not only harmed families but destroyed entire communities. Hence those states flipping.

Also, since you enjoy talking about skin color, even when taking into account the incredibly misleading federal unemployment rate blacks are unemployed twice as bad. Probably explains why so many stayed home on election day.

Nah.....it's really because after voting for Obama twice they had an epiphany and decided they hate a black man in the oval office.



So what does making the country great again mean? It can't have anything to do with taking the country back from the scary black guy...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Always about race with you people.
 
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Now you want to compare the KKK to ISIS? Tell tou what, when the KKK starts hijacking planes and killing innocent people NOW and commits random acts of violence NOW I'll put them on the same level of ISIS.
I considered adding a disclaimer to make sure you understood what an analogy is and that it doesn't have to be a perfect 1-to-1 comparison in order to make the point about the its size versus the overall population, but I figured you were smart enough to know the difference. My bad for overestimating you. No, I don't think the modern KKK is comparable to ISIS (it's not even Vanilla ISIS) in terms of scale or operations, but you knew that, and this was, like most of your arguments, just a lame distraction to avoid addressing the point.

Hate to burst you bubble but Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania didn't flip red for the first time in twenty years due to racist Republican voters. I know it's how folks like yourself rationalize the worst event of your lives but it simply isn't true.
No, they turned because Trump, being a snake oil salesman, promised that he'll bring back defunct industries that died naturally (which he's never going to be able to do, and won't even try beyond window dressing like the Carrier deal because he doesn't give a shit about the little guy) and Hillary failed to engage with them in her ground game and listen to their concerns (although she did campaign heavily in Pennsylvania). Again, though, that doesn't have anything to do with the portion of my post you quoted there. The presence of a large bloc of racist supporters for Trump doesn't mean all of his supporters are racists, and I never suggested they were. But even the ones who aren't racist themselves were willing to overlook rampant bigotry (just like you!) to support this candidate, which doesn't exactly deserve a pat on the back and an "attaboy!"

No Id rather you spend time condemning actual terrorists in the here and now.
Which "actual terrorists" do you imagine that I'm not condemning, exactly? The only terrorists mentioned so far have been ISIS, which I'm against (I know, it's a bold stance), and the KKK, which I'm pretty solidly opposed to also, 'cause that was kind of the point of my argument. Or are you referring to the anarchist protestors? Because that's not terrorism, but I'm opposed to them too, as evidenced by my condemning them and calling them assholes. So I'm really curious what you are referring to here?

Perfect example of why your side lost.
Perfect example of the problem. My side is your side. We both lost because Trump, a man who is mentally unfit to serve and corrupt on multiple fronts is now the President of the United States. You're so concerned with scoring points against Democrats that you've stopped paying attention or are actively excusing the actions of the President just because he happens to have an "R" after his name. He's not even much of a traditional conservative or Republican, and has turned on principles the Republicans would have considered inviolable a year ago, like completely bending over for the Russians.

U.S Debt is coming close to twenty trillion dollars, the labor force participation rate is still low (sorry, but not counting people who give up looking for work isn't going to fly with the public particularly when they are actually living it) and 21 percent of the country is on governmenf assistance. Plus we were still losing jobs overseas which not only harmed families but destroyed entire communities. Hence those states flipping.
National debt is not like personal debt. The government borrows to stimulate the economy and jobs and by doing so increases tax revenue which eventually starts to bring down the debt again. Because of the scale of the last recession, which was the largest since the Depression, it's going to take a while to pay the debt down again, but the idea that austerity measures are necessary to bring it down is contradictory to your point about helping out lower income people.

The primary reasons for the declining labor force participation rate are structural:
1) The aging of baby boomers. A lower percentage of older Americans choose to work than those who are middle-aged. And so as baby boomers approach retirement age, it lowers the labor force participation rate.
2) A decline in working women. The labor force participation rate for men has been declining since the 1950s. But for a couple decades, a rapid rise in working women more than offset that dip. Women’s labor force participation exploded from nearly 34 percent in 1950 to its peak of 60 percent in 1999. But since then, women’s participation rate has been “displaying a pattern of slow decline.”
3) More young people are going to college. As BLS noted, “Because students are less likely to participate in the labor force, increases in school attendance at the secondary and college levels and, especially, increases in school attendance during the summer, significantly reduce the labor force participation rate of youths.”
So no matter who was president, and independent of the health of the economy, BLS projected in 2006 that labor force participation rates were going to go down.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/declining-labor-participation-rates/

Also, since you enjoy talking about skin color, even when taking into account the incredibly misleading federal unemployment rate blacks are unemployed twice as bad. Probably explains why so many stayed home on election day.

Nah.....it's really because after voting for Obama twice they had an epiphany and decided they hate a black man in the oval office.
- The black man wasn't capable of running for a third term unfortunately, so I'm not sure what your point is there.
- Hillary still won the popular vote.
- Voter turnout for Democrats was down across the board, not just for black voters, though they were at a higher rate.
- Republican voter suppression efforts which predominantly affect minority voters were in full swing again.
- Democrats were split between two prominent candidates until the convention, with a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters deciding to stay home during the general election as a result.
- More black voters came out to support Barack Obama because he's more representative of them and their needs and experiences. This is not saying the only reason they voted for him is because he is black, so don't bother with your inevitable next distraction tactic.

Always about race with you people.
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Congratulation, though, ichab, you successfully avoided addressing the actual issue of Trump's support from and pandering to racist groups again.
 
The unemployment advisors need to stop treating everyone as if they are on the make. They forget unless one is independently wealthy (the 1%) we are ALL one paycheck away from destitution.
I believe Terra Prime is an omen of President Trump, the racists had a field day for the last 8 years and now they have their male White Anglo Saxon Savior back...(or so they believe)

It seems that a lot of them are going to be finding themselves on the other side of the desk.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...government-shakeout-of-welfare-to-work-sector

Thousands of experienced employment coaches are expected to lose their jobs over the next few weeks as ministers trigger the first stage of a massive shakeout of the government-funded welfare to work sector that will see it shrink by 75%.
The employment services industry is preparing for what one insider called “a bloodbath” as the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) moves to replace the work programme with the much smaller work and health programme.
 
To the OP, in a hypothetical scenario, Trump's economic and immigration policies result in a general increase in the American economy and personal economy prosperity. With a increase in local tax income (and the typical belief on politicians that the money will never end) liberal city governments increase spending on social programs leading to the creation of sanctuary districts.

Housing, food, jobs, medical, initially the districts work reasonable well and the idea spreads. Great as long as employment numbers never fluctuate and the move to increased automation never happens.

In the last year of Trump's second term of office a number of factors (domestic and international) drive a slight downturn in the economy, for the most part it's a minor hiccup, but the hiccup results in increase in unemployment and homelessness by tens of thousands.

Fearing a reduction of tourism, business and lifestyle, local governments make their districts all but mandatory for all homeless.

Yeah, the sanctuary districts, well-intentioned or not (or both well-intentioned and not) seem like something that would actually require considerable funding and so at least the appearance of benevolent intentions and adequate conditions, then conditions would drastically deteriorate the moment there's any reduction in the funding available (and the national incumbent would of course get blamed rather than the local governments who set up such a fragile and potentially oppressive system; local government is never to blame for their policies).

Donald Trump used to condemn David Duke (by name, repeatedly) and white supremacists in the past, but suddenly when they became critical to his Presidential campaign efforts and he was courting the alt-Right with his hateful rhetoric, then he'd never even heard of David Duke

That feigned ignorance (or actual mental deterioration, although its more likely it was feigned) and that voters were willing to overlook it were particularly disgusting and alarming.
 
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That feigned ignorance (or actual mental deterioration, although its more likely it was feigned) and that voters were willing to overlook it were particularly disgusting and alarming.

Last year America celebrated its roots....It was founded on white supremacy of the rich white man and it will probably end the same way. America does not have a race problem, it has a class problem, but the culture was based on the rich successfully making even the poorest white man feel racially superior to even the richest black male... Brilliant strategy cos it worked!
 
According to the star trek timeline by the early 2020's, just after this upcoming presidential term, there is going to be a sanctuary district in every major city. It is a place to lock up the ones, behind a wall, who cannot find jobs during rough economic times. People were not taken care of and there was a lot of civil unrest. It was described as a depressing chapter in Earth history. Could this episode be an omen of the result of a Donald Trump presidency? Will things get as bad as they predicted?
In this episode, were the people behind the "wall" Mexican?

Seriously, the stock market is doing pretty well and companies are committing to bringing new jobs to the U.S. I am sure Mexico will be fine too.
 
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