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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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I want the Watcher too, but I forgot Fox owns the rights to him since he's still an FF character. Maybe they can cut a deal like they did with Negasonic Teenage Warhead.
 
We really don't know for certain who is a Fantastic Four character. If I had to guess without any knowledge of who has appeared where, I would have said Ronan the Accuser, Black Panther, and the Inhumans were Fox characters while Ego the Living Planet and Kang the Conqueror were not. I would have been wrong in each of those cases. I also would have guessed the Savage Land belonged to Fox with the X-Men and would have been wrong about that too (based on the Sony leaks).

Uatu has obviously appeared in many different comics over many years. Where they appeared first doesn't seem to be the only question (who they're associated with seems to be the vague but more accurate answer). That being said, I think the idea that he's associated with Galactus who is connected to the Fantastic Four might be the best guess, but I wouldn't be confident about that.
 
Anwar said:
I want the Watcher too, but I forgot Fox owns the rights to him since he's still an FF character. Maybe they can cut a deal like they did with Negasonic Teenage Warhead.
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That probably only worked because NTW was a non-character Marvel didn't care about (they didn't even want the character, just the name) and from what I gather they traded her for Ego and Fox probably didn't guess Marvel were actually planning to use him in GotG2. After that I think Fox will be reticent to let anything else go so cheaply.
 
^Pretty sure Kurt Russel's role was official announced months ago. Not really a spoiler. I also hear Baby Groot might be in it too!
 
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Alidar Jarok said:
We really don't know for certain who is a Fantastic Four character. If I had to guess without any knowledge of who has appeared where, I would have said Ronan the Accuser, Black Panther, and the Inhumans were Fox characters while Ego the Living Planet and Kang the Conqueror were not. I would have been wrong in each of those cases. I also would have guessed the Savage Land belonged to Fox with the X-Men and would have been wrong about that too (based on the Sony leaks).

Uatu has obviously appeared in many different comics over many years. Where they appeared first doesn't seem to be the only question (who they're associated with seems to be the vague but more accurate answer). That being said, I think the idea that he's associated with Galactus who is connected to the Fantastic Four might be the best guess, but I wouldn't be confident about that.
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Yeah, some this the rights stuff is a little strange. I had originally been under the impression it was based on where the character first appeared, but there some of the characters at Marvel first appeared in books belonging to Fox.
 
JD said:
Yeah, some this the rights stuff is a little strange. I had originally been under the impression it was based on where the character first appeared, but there some of the characters at Marvel first appeared in books belonging to Fox.
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Well, the books still belong to Marvel, and all the characters still intermingle freely in the actual comics; it's just the movie rights that are licensed to Fox, and only so long as they continue to exercise them.

As for character appearance, I think it's generally based on where a character originated, but that's because that's usually the same title they've remained primarily associated with. Exceptions would be made for characters that ended up being more associated with a different book, like Kingpin being with the Daredevil rights.
 
Reverend said:
That probably only worked because NTW was a non-character Marvel didn't care about (they didn't even want the character, just the name) and from what I gather they traded her for Ego and Fox probably didn't guess Marvel were actually planning to use him in GotG2. After that I think Fox will be reticent to let anything else go so cheaply.
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Technically, Fox gave back Ego in exchange for the right to change NTW's powerset, so it's even cheaper.

Regarding Ego, James Gunn spoke about this and explained why it's not a spoiler. Don't read ahead if you think you'll disagree with the director.

WHY THE IDENTITY OF STAR-LORD'S FATHER ISN'T A SPOILER.

Don't read any further if you don't want to know who he is.

Also you might want to stay off the internet until May and definitely unfollow me and don't watch our trailers or other ads...

Anyway, people have been particularly excited, confused, and supportive of keeping Marvel Cosmic truly cosmic with the reveal of Peter Quill's father's identity. However, there have been a minority of folks who have questioned, and even been angry, that I and Marvel would reveal something so major months before the film comes out.

I get it. If we lived in a perfect world, I wouldn't tell you ANYTHING before you walked in to see Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. I wouldn't tell you Groot was now Baby Groot, I wouldn't tell you Mantis was in the movie, I wouldn't say that Ayesha and Taserface are our antagonists, that Yondu and Nebula have incredibly important roles in the film, nor would I tell you that Quill's father is Ego the Living Planet.

However, the world is imperfect.

Firstly, we have to advertise our film. And it will be impossible to show you very much of Vol. 2 since Ego is very much a part of all of it. We just don't have a way around it.

Secondly, there are journalists online who love giving you scoops about characters and plot twists in upcoming films. Ego is such a big part of the movie, this was going to come out soon, as much as we've tried to hide it (when our online press day happened on set, Kurt Russell sat in a chair that read "J'son," and all of our script pages and artwork featuring him used the same name). Frankly, I would rather be in control of the announcement myself than have it come out on SpoilersRUs.com in a few weeks.

That said, knowing who Quill's father is will not diminish your enjoyment of the film in any way. The story is not built to be a shocking twist in the same way Luke's father was Darth, Soylent Green was people, Rosebud was a sled, or that that pretty woman from Crying Game had a penis (I guess I should have said spoilers before all that). Ego the emotional center of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 from the beginning to the end, and is not a twist.

And believe me - there are many, many more surprises we still have in store for you from Vol. 2 - hopefully the biggest of which is how much you'll love the movie itself. Because, to me, that's the only twist that matters.

james
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bbjeg said:
I didn't even know that was his role. Screw it.
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Look mate, if you really don't want to know details of a film that the director himself publicly announces then I'm afraid your only recourse is to stay off the internet entirely, crawl into the very back of your closet, stick your finders in your ears and hum *very loudly* until the movie comes out.
 
Reverend said:
Look mate, if you really don't want to know details of a film that the director himself publicly announces then I'm afraid your only recourse is to stay off the internet entirely, crawl into the very back of your closet, stick your finders in your ears and hum *very loudly* until the movie comes out.
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You should read the first post in this thread about spoilers and what not to post in this thread.
 
I think official announcements in promotional material (SDCC and trailers, as well as official director announcements count as things seen/released).
 
bbjeg said:
but you can't discuss (the) movie itself until after it's released.
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This wasn't entailing press releases. This was talking about released videos of the movie itself. The only spoilers that was to be talked about was clips, trailers, or the movie itself after it's released to cut back on script/story spoilers. That's why I called this thread "MCU speculation". It's the MCU story so far. If a writer said a character was the son of a monkey, until it's cannon in the MCU, it's in spoiler code here. The same goes for If a script is leaked, or if someone says Starlord's father is Ego at a press conference. Now if Ego was in a trailer and Starlord said "Father?", we can make speculations about the movie and what it means to the MCU. Otherwise, don't assume everyone knows what you know and post spoilers for others.

Just be courteous.
 
bbjeg said:
Otherwise, don't assume everyone knows what you know and post spoilers for others.
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But if the director of the film personally released that information in advance and explicitly said that it doesn't spoil the story because it isn't meant to be a surprise, then it is not a spoiler. "Spoiler" does not mean "any advance information whatsoever," it specifically means advance information that would ruin a surprise or interfere with the viewing experience the filmmakers intended. If the filmmakers don't want us to know a piece of information in advance -- like, say, what happened to Tony Stark's parents -- then revealing it in advance would be a spoiler. But this isn't that kind of information. There's been no effort to hide it -- just the opposite. It's being actively promoted. The director announced it himself. There's already one of those big-headed chibi dolls of the character being marketed and sold in advance. They want us to know this.
 
IIRC, the original intent of this thread was that it would be a crossover discussion thread for released projects. The need for such a thread became necessary when Agents of SHIELD was running with the HYDRA angle from TWS, but it was considered spoilery to directly reference events in the film in the AoS thread or vice versa. This thread was for free discussion of what's already out there, for people who've seen it or don't mind the spoilers.
 
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