B'elanna Torres pairing - Tom or Harry

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I didn't think it came off that way at all

I did. Carey looked more than a tad lecherous in that episode. If all he really wanted was to have lunch, he wouldn't have looked at Seven like that. And this is a married man for Chrissakes.

If I was married, and I looked at another woman like Carey looked at Seven, I'd expect to have my ass kicked to the curb.

 

[stardream]

I didn't think it came off that way at all

I don't think it did either. It was just a scene to remind us that a person named Joe Carey did exist and was still alive somewhere on Voyager.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

It seems that many people with command aspirations do not have families. Picard didn't.

Almost all captains we know, ended their missions, single but we could have imagined another fate - more happier - for Harry Kim, the eternal hopeful and sentimental guy, who fell in love so easily and jump back on horse quickly after each failed attempt, we met and followed for 7 years.
I mean, after to have spent 7 years to chase the wrong hare, we could hope to see him founding, finally, the right woman, one who would loved him and supported his carrier, in accepting to follow him on the USS Rhode Island.
-> it's not because he saw his mentor, Kathryn Janeway, living a lonely life aboard of Voyager for 7 long years, than he had to copy her lifestyle, using a holo-character to fill his sex life like she did with Michael Sullivan (I can't imagine that Tom didn't talk to him about Janeway and Sullivan).
They were not made by the same wood (family histories, aspirations, expectations, ambitions and personalities).

(Hey, even Joe, the former Voyager's CMO, found his "better" half... though well younger than him and a a bit too much submitted to his egomania to my taste... in the point to think that after a few years of common life, she would have grown up and become fed up with him!)

Anyway, the questions that arise are the following ones :

1) did Harry totally waive the idea to have a (successful) love life to pursue a brilliant carrier or fed up after a lot of one-nighters, he decided to focus his attention and efforts to his carrier, in hoping more success?
2) Could these both souls who were Harry and B'Elena, have fitted on together? And if yes, would B'Elena's presence (and/or even that of a child, like Miral) in his life have changed him, like it was the case for his BFF, Tom Paris?

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Maybe I'm wrong but I wonder if Harry KIM wasn't made nicer, helpful and very competent in his area, in order that his "programmed death" in Scorpion Part 1 at the end of S3, had a strong but dramatic impact on the crew, especially Janeway, Tom, B'Elena and The Doctor, who would have mourned his loss for awhile but for different reasons : Janeway because he was the blue she had set under her motherly protective wing ; Tom because Harry was the 1st to offer his friendship ; B'Elena because he was the little brother she didn't have but would have like to get and they worked well together; The Doctor, because of Harry's savoir-faire/skills (his sophisticated program was due to a perfect association of B'Elena & Harry's engineering knowledge. I don't doubt that the sentient hologram learnt to appreciate Harry as the good guy as he was but let's be honest, he needed him too to exist and develop as a sentient hologram -> instinct for self-preservation).

I have the feeling that once Tom/B'Elena set on together definitevely, in S5, writers seemed to run out of ideas about Harry's love life. The newcomer, Seven of Nine, was of an off limits and except the scene of the awkward kiss to entertain viewers, I guess, Harry/Seven was never a considered option, even if some of you hoped for this pairing. What let not much option for Harry find the ideal partner, except maybe one of Delaney sisters or ....Tal Celes!

In books, I heard that after to have come home, he has tried again with her Libby but it has worked as he has thought. Do you know if authors, like Meyer, etc...have given to him a girlfriend or a wife?

 

[stardream]

He has a girlfriend in the Beyer novels.

 

[Idran]

And it's not Libby; they tried at first after Voyager got home in the Golden novels before Beyer took over the VOY Relaunch, but she'd moved on over the years herself.

Spoiler: And it didn't help that Libby had...

...been drafted by SI as a civilian agent alongside her interplanetary concert tours in the interim.

The Golden books were a little weird at times.

 

[LJones41]

Oh, those VOY Relaunch novels. Are those the novels in which Harry became the ship's chief of security?

 

[stardream]

Yes.

 

[Catarina]

Had Kim gotten killed off in "Scorpion," would it have mattered?

Actually, I thought he was a goner. I shed a tear in his suffering. I also thought this was the best 'offing' a writer could do but they bailed. I'm mixed about that. I like good story telling and I do not hate the guy. I saw character growth however small it might have been.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Actually I thought he was a goner and so I shed a tear in his suffering. And thought this was the best 'offing' a writer could do but they bailed. I'm mixed about that. I like good story telling and I do not hate the guy. I saw character growth however small it might be.

I wonder if this was the way they had planned to kill his character when they were considering him instead of Kes.

 

[2takesfrakes]

If there had ever been a STAR TREK special where we got to see Reginald Barclay, Harry Kim, Neelix and their ilk getting waterboarded for 45 minutes and some change ... wow! ... ratings would've gone through the roof.

 

[Sophie74656]

Was Reg Barclay not liked? I always really liked him. Well I guess I can really relate to him having very bad social anxiety and being completely socially innept myself.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

As I have watched only 3 or 4 episodes of ST: TNG, I didn't know Reg Barclay before to have seen ST: Voyager (s4 or 5).
A very interesting character and Dwight Schultz really nailed his performance (what a terrific actor). It is almost regrettable not to have seen this character in more episodes and even a whole season...
I loved to see the relationship between him and Deanna Troi. It was lovely to see how 2 people like them, so different from each other (Barclay, the shy and anxious guy, and Troi, who was just the opposite), can get on as well!

 

[Sophie74656]

And it's not Libby; they tried at first after Voyager got home in the Golden novels before Beyer took over the VOY Relaunch, but she'd moved on over the years herself.

Spoiler: And it didn't help that Libby had...

...been drafted by SI as a civilian agent alongside her interplanetary concert tours in the interim.

The Golden books were a little weird at times.

I was very happy when Kristen Bayer took over, I like her writing style so much better

 

[Sophie74656]

As I have watched only 3 or 4 episodes of ST: TNG, I didn't know Reg Barclay before to have seen ST: Voyager (s4 or 5).
A very interesting character and Dwight Schultz really nailed his performance (what a terrific actor). It is almost regrettable not to have seen this character in more episodes and even a whole season...
I loved to see the relationship between him and Deanna Troi. It was lovely to see how 2 people like them, so different from each other (Barclay, the shy and anxious guy, and Troi, who was just the opposite), can get on as well!

I kind of like seeing the weird awkward guy. Especially on TNG you see all these confindent, put together, perfect people. Then you had Reg who was super smart and a great engineer but had no social skills at all LOL

 

[Tracy Trek]

I kind of like seeing the weird awkward guy. Especially on TNG you see all these confindent, put together, perfect people. Then you had Reg who was super smart and a great engineer but had no social skills at all LOL

He would have fit right in on Voyager, the real one. Not just his holographic replica. Also it seems to me like maybe he did a little bit better under the mentor-ship of Commander Harkins and Admiral Paris. Although it was Geordi, Beverley, and Deannna that helped him to begin with.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I kind of like seeing the weird awkward guy. Especially on TNG you see all these confindent, put together, perfect people. Then you had Reg who was super smart and a great engineer but had no social skills at all LOL

For one thing, I can't imagine a 24th Century Human Race that isn't composed of The Beautiful People. Nerds, geeks, misfits and outcasts are, more or less "bred out," if you like. Besides, what woman of the future would endure pregnancy and childbirth, when they can have test-tube babies that develop in vats of embryonic fluid for 9 months and are "born" once gestation is complete.

Even today ... would any parent really want their kid to suffer social awkwardness? Of course not. From the father's semen and the mother's eggs, there's almost too much choice involved, in custom-designing your future child. Thus helping to ensure that they'll grow up with every possible advantage. Unfortunately, this does invite "trends" and such. For example, "this year's trend" might be this or that complexion, or this or that hair texture ... and so on.

But more basic than that, even, strength of mind could be ensured, as well. Barclay's psychological impedimentia would be wiped out, along with ... hell, I don't know ... near-sightedness, or uh ... weight problems and so on. Not enhanced like genetic superheroes, or anything like that. Just normal Humans fully prepared to live Life to its fullest ... to achieve that "bettering" of oneself that the 24th Century holds so dear.

 

[Sophie74656]

Nothing is going to be bred out in only a few hundred years. They may find cures to illnesses or fix genetic abnormalities.

I don't think most women (who want children) would say that pregancy is something to "endure".

 

[LJones41]

(I can't imagine that Tom didn't talk to him about Janeway and Sullivan).

I have grave doubts that Tom would discuss Janeway's love life with Harry. He was discreet about Tuvok dealing with pon farr. Although Janeway pretty much suspected what was going on.

He would have fit right in on Voyager, the real one. Not just his holographic replica.

Which would explain why Barclay made a better fit on VOY than he did on TNG.

 

[Sophie74656]

I have grave doubts that Tom would discuss Janeway's love life with Harry. He was discreet about Tuvok dealing with pon farr. Although Janeway pretty much suspected what was going on.




Which would explain why Barclay made a better fit on VOY than he did on TNG.

Janeway probably knew Tuvok well enough to see his symptoms even though he was surely doing his best to hide them.