Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[Caretaker]

If Jay messed up his Earth at all, or has any major secrets, I wonder if any of them have to do with screwing up his own history and past to the point where he lost his family history, most of his life, even his original name.



Are you sure? I thought that was fan discussion. On screen, Earth 1 was the center of everything, and the reason Zoom was trying to destroy it. Was it actually stated in dialogue?

I found the transcript and a clip. It was the episode Fast Lane - a conversation between Harry and Barry.

Oh, no, haven't you heard the expression "two heads are better than one"?
No.
Must be an Earth-1 thing.
You understand, for me, that my Earth is Earth-1? Yeah.

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[Nerys Myk]

Well, being as they are genetically identical, his parents must have been the same - with either death, divorce or some other trauma keeping their marriage from happening/lasting for too long. The rest was just my own conjecture in attempting to tie John Wesley Shipp's current character to his first character.

As for the genetics issue, just look in the Timeless thread.... or even the Flashpointing of Baby Sara, or the penultimate episode of the show Journeyman.

It has to be the same guy, not a half brother.

Yeah, that was the point. Jay is the doppelganger of Henry Allen, just given a different name because apparently his father left/died/something before he was born.

So if we're talking about trying to reconcile 1990 Barry Allen as another doppelganger, the fact that doppelgangers can have different names opens that door. Maybe Earth-1's Henry Allen, Earth-3's Jay Garrick, and "Earth-90"'s Barry Allen are all genetic doppelgangers whose father was named Henry Allen and looked like M. Emmet Walsh, and the Earth-1 version (and Earth-2, presumably) named his son Henry Jr. instead of Barry. (Although it would still be quite a coincidence that Henry and Henry Jr. both married women named Nora.)

I remembered they were genetically the same after I posted. Oh well, the multiverse is a strange and wonderful place.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

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"I think we're destined to do this forever".

 

[Phoenix219]

http://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...ucing-a-justice-league-character-for-season-3


Justice League Detroit!! .... did they say where the Star Labs HALL is by any chance? lol.

 

[Christopher]

Justice League Detroit!! .... did they say where the Star Labs HALL is by any chance? lol.

Sorry, they said it was in Central City. The modern-day Vixen is based in Detroit in the animated series, though, as a nod to the character's origins.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sorry, they said it was in Central City. The modern-day Vixen is based in Detroit in the animated series, though, as a nod to the character's origins.

Maybe STAR Labs has similar warehouses situated in cities around the globe?

 

[Snaploud]

Maybe STAR Labs has similar warehouses situated in cities around the globe?

That's Batm*cough*Green Arrow's job. Though, I guess he's a bit low on funds these days.

 

[Romulan_spy]

From the promo for the next episode, we see Barry upset with Wally over not following his orders. So it seems that the Flash and Kid Flash are not going to work well together at least not at first. I wonder if Kid Flash is going to eventually leave, maybe go to Earth-2 to be with Jessie Quick.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Jessica Camacho cast as Gypsy

 

[theenglish]

Who from the Detroit JLA are we missing now? Ralph Dibney and Aquaman. Anybody else?

 

[Vendikarr]

Who from the Detroit JLA are we missing now? Ralph Dibney and Aquaman. Anybody else?

Zatanna, and Batman worked with them before the book was cancelled.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sue is more important than Ralph.

 

[Gaith]

Drunk H.R. was great.

I'd be just fine with Wally moving elsewhere. He adds very little.

And while I reserve the right to change my mind at some point, I don't mind them doing speedster Big Bads indefinitely, with normal-speed freaks and rogues sprinkled around for seasoning.

 

[Finn]

I'd introduce a new meta that is the opposite of the Flash and other speedsters. The Slug- he moves so slowly that rest of us ordinary folks are speedsters to the Slug. We can't do anything because his body is out of phase to us but he still can do damage.

How? Let the writers take care of it He's trying to do something. But he's so slow it'll take an entire season


okay, sorry. I'll stop

 

[Mr Light]

There was the Turtle in Season 2, who caused everyone around him to slow down.

 

[Guy Gardener]

NINJA!

The Turtle.

http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Russell_Glosson

Thawn killed him.

 

[Christopher]

There was the Turtle in Season 2, who caused everyone around him to slow down.

Right. There have been two Turtles as Flash enemies. The original fought Jay Garrick in the '40s and was characterized by his slow, deliberate planning. The second Turtle, or Turtle Man, was actually the first foe that Barry Allen ever fought as the Flash, and like Barry, he was inspired (in-story) by his Golden Age comics counterpart. He had much the same MO as the original, though he also used slowness-inducing gadgets of some sort.

 

[Reverend]

Coming up with good villains for a super-hero is always tricky the more powerful the hero is. Generally, the most successful approaches are to either more or less directly copy the hero's physical abilities (Zod, Jax-Ur, Sinestro, Reverse-Flash, Venom, Ocean Master, Bizzaro etc. etc.) or come up with a character that is psychologically diametrically opposite to them (Joker, Lex Luthor, Kingpin.)

Overall I fell the characters with the best Rogues Galleries are the ones with less physical power since it rarely feels like they're punching below their weight and/ore are more grounded from a characterisation standpoint. The likes of Batman are more the former while Spider-man is more the latter.

So yeah, creating a "big bad" for Flash each season is pretty much always going to have to deal with the speed force in some way as in the absence of a Lex Luthor type (i.e. someone he can't come at directly) the small time metas and thugs with advanced toys are only ever going to be a temporary nuance.

I do wonder if they're able to use Intergang at some point or if that's tied up with the Supergirl/Superman licence?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's ridiculous to think that anyone not moving at 1700 kph stands a chance against Barry, especially Captain Boomerang, Captain Cold and Heatwave.

 

[Christopher]

So yeah, creating a "big bad" for Flash each season is pretty much always going to have to deal with the speed force in some way as in the absence of a Lex Luthor type (i.e. someone he can't come at directly) the small time metas and thugs with advanced toys are only ever going to be a temporary nuance.

Not necessarily. As I said, I think Abra Kadabra's future technology and mastery of illusion could be an effective counter to the Flash's powers on a continuing basis. So could Grodd's mind control, if he were mainly acting from the shadows and using others as his puppets so that he was hard to track down (which would also save on CGI). There are no doubt other characters who could work as seasonal big bads without being speedsters.

I do wonder if they're able to use Intergang at some point or if that's tied up with the Supergirl/Superman licence?

Arrow has been able to use Batman foes like Deadshot and Ra's al Ghul and Teen Titans foes like Deathstroke, Brother Blood, and Damien Darhk. And now that Supergirl is on The CW and free to cross over with the other shows anytime, I doubt there are any restrictions on what Superman-mythos elements they're able to use. Although I'd expect that Intergang would be more likely to show up on Supergirl along with the other Kirby stuff they've been doing like Cadmus and Guardian.