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Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

Like doing something that prevented him from being named Henry Allen...? His parents not being married and something happens to Jay's dad when his mother was pregnant with him?

Perhaps Jay Garrick's version of Flashpoint removed a son named Barry from the Earth 3 timeline.
 
Barry is in an alternate timeline now, closer in appearance to his home timeline but definitely not home, because whenever he returns from the past, it's always a different timeline, no matter how careful or careless he is.

Why make Piper a good guy, if Piper never shows up to save the day?

Hmmm? "Andy" was on Smash with "Winn" so the boy can sing, they must have tapped him for the musical episode coming up?
 
If Jay messed up his Earth at all, or has any major secrets, I wonder if any of them have to do with screwing up his own history and past to the point where he lost his family history, most of his life, even his original name.



Are you sure? I thought that was fan discussion. On screen, Earth 1 was the center of everything, and the reason Zoom was trying to destroy it. Was it actually stated in dialogue?

I think it was Harry who said his Earth should be considered Earth 1.
 
It's not naming, it's numbering!

Though if someone from a given Earth were to have an issue with the schema, I suppose they could pull a Futurama and go with Earth-1, Earth-A, Earth-I, and so forth.

Mark
 
Back in the Season about Zoom, they created 52 dimensional breaches across Central City, but they all lead to Earth 2.

Cisco is mapping the Multiverse, not Barry, and Barry might be able to feel his way to Kara, but that hardly helps Cisco vibe his way through dimensions, or use technology, like the "doorknob" they gave Kara to fabricate his natural abilities.

I would love to know how that small a piece of tech can replicate a meta's ability and how it is powered?
 
Like doing something that prevented him from being named Henry Allen...? His parents not being married and something happens to Jay's dad when his mother was pregnant with him?

No, something that kept him from being named BARRY Allen and perhaps also erased his own brother Jay from existance, leaving him with the name Jay Garrick via his newly single mother.

Something that destroyed the life that we saw him having in the 1990s show.

That like most Flashes, he had to learn the hard way.
 
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I would love to know how that small a piece of tech can replicate a meta's ability and how it is powered?

A lot of meta's powers seem to be similating tech to begin with, so I'm sure thats the case here as well..... by studying their own powers, they were able to better understand dimensional mechanics.

Just don't tell Walter Bishop that it is actually so easy.... ;)

And, oh yeah! EARTH 3 HAS BLIMPS!!!!
 
I remember suggesting that Batman - TAS takes place in the Fringe red-alt-verse, what with the slightly advanced tech in an earlier era, the Blimps and the red skies.... .lol. Fringe has definitely set the standard for AU stories.
 
Fringe was a latecomer in portraying zeppelins as a trademark of parallel Earths. As is mentioned in the TV Tropes page I linked above, it was already such a well-worn trope by the time Fringe came along that they were probably invoking it on purpose.

For me, the archetypal example of airships as an alternate-world signifier is Fritz Leiber's 1975 story "Catch That Zeppelin!" My father had the issue of Fantasy and Science Fiction where that story first appeared, so I was familiar with the story from a fairly young age. In fact, I just checked, and I actually still have that issue, though its front cover is missing -- it's apparently a used copy. (Too bad, since it was a Chesley Bonestell painting -- ahh, here it is.) Every time I see a TV show or movie depict a parallel Earth with zeppelins, especially ones docking at the Empire State Building, I'm reminded of the Leiber story. Although it's a natural thing to imagine what might have been if airships hadn't been abandoned; that impulse probably predates Leiber's story by decades.
 
Like doing something that prevented him from being named Henry Allen...? His parents not being married and something happens to Jay's dad when his mother was pregnant with him?
Maybe Jay isn't a "true" doppelganger? Perhaps his mother married a different guy than Henry's mother. Jay and Henry are more like half brothers than "twins",
 
Maybe Jay isn't a "true" doppelganger? Perhaps his mother married a different guy than Henry's mother. Jay and Henry are more like half brothers than "twins",

Well, being as they are genetically identical, his parents must have been the same - with either death, divorce or some other trauma keeping their marriage from happening/lasting for too long. The rest was just my own conjecture in attempting to tie John Wesley Shipp's current character to his first character.

As for the genetics issue, just look in the Timeless thread.... or even the Flashpointing of Baby Sara, or the penultimate episode of the show Journeyman.

It has to be the same guy, not a half brother.
 
It has to be the same guy, not a half brother.

Yeah, that was the point. Jay is the doppelganger of Henry Allen, just given a different name because apparently his father left/died/something before he was born.

So if we're talking about trying to reconcile 1990 Barry Allen as another doppelganger, the fact that doppelgangers can have different names opens that door. Maybe Earth-1's Henry Allen, Earth-3's Jay Garrick, and "Earth-90"'s Barry Allen are all genetic doppelgangers whose father was named Henry Allen and looked like M. Emmet Walsh, and the Earth-1 version (and Earth-2, presumably) named his son Henry Jr. instead of Barry. (Although it would still be quite a coincidence that Henry and Henry Jr. both married women named Nora.)
 
Yeah, that was the point. Jay is the doppelganger of Henry Allen, just given a different name because apparently his father left/died/something before he was born.

So if we're talking about trying to reconcile 1990 Barry Allen as another doppelganger, the fact that doppelgangers can have different names opens that door. Maybe Earth-1's Henry Allen, Earth-3's Jay Garrick, and "Earth-90"'s Barry Allen are all genetic doppelgangers whose father was named Henry Allen and looked like M. Emmet Walsh, and the Earth-1 version (and Earth-2, presumably) named his son Henry Jr. instead of Barry. (Although it would still be quite a coincidence that Henry and Henry Jr. both married women named Nora.)

But, with the naming issue, one of the Nora's might not be named Nora anymore....
 
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