Star Wars Rebels Season Two (spoilers)
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Watched Future of the Force today.
It was nice to get to see a bit more of the new Inquisitors, and I loved the Ahsoka/Second Sister fight at the end.
Do they ever explain the significance of the Inquisitors names? Are all the Inquisitors, except the Grand Inquisitor from Season 1, X Brother or X Sister, or are these two actually the fourth and fifth siblings in a family?
It was nice to get to see a bit more of the new Inquisitors, and I loved the Ahsoka/Second Sister fight at the end.
Do they ever explain the significance of the Inquisitors names? Are all the Inquisitors, except the Grand Inquisitor from Season 1, X Brother or X Sister, or are these two actually the fourth and fifth siblings in a family?
They're all different species, so a literal family seems very unlikely. But yes, so far all of the Inquisitors bar the Grand Inquisitor have the same naming scheme. One assumes it's a combination of how they're raised (in training cadres I'm guessing) with an ranking system. So presumably "First Sister/Brother" is just one step down from the Grand Inquisitor themselves.
What I liked about that fight is that Ahsoka was so clearly in no danger even against the two of them, which speaks to just how far Ezra has to go and how out of practice and relatively inexperienced Kanan was.
It also means that the Inquisitors aren't really expected to be able to handle trained Jedi. I suspect they're mostly bloodhounds for hunting down untrained force sensitives (mostly children) and beaters for flushing surviving Jedi out of cover where someone with actual training can deal with them.
It makes sense that their training is deliberately second rate. Sidious can't have a bunch of fully trained Sith running around, no matter how well they're conditioned for loyalty.
The could be double meaning in Seventh Sister's line about "everyone wanting to be a mother". Could that also be a rank in her order? Fifth and Seventh would seem to be positions, with 7 being lower than 5, though 7 is better with a lightsaber than 5, 5 has better control of his powers.
Ahsoka wipes the floor with them. But on the other had, even if it was 15+ years ago, she's dueled General Grievous (and escaped...she never beat him really), Ventress several times, and of course trained with Anakin Skywalker, who turns out to be Mr. Sith killer.
Ahsoka wipes the floor with them. But on the other had, even if it was 15+ years ago, she's dueled General Grievous (and escaped...she never beat him really), Ventress several times, and of course trained with Anakin Skywalker, who turns out to be Mr. Sith killer.
I wouldn't read too much into that bit of banter, but sure, it's certainly possible.
Without knowing what determines superiority in their ranks, it's difficult to say how they even relate to one another.
It's possible they rise through the ranks though the number of successful hunts they've completed or maybe even something as banal as meeting quotas. Indeed, the one that crops up in the recent 'Ahsoka' novel mentions not being above "poaching" an assignment off of another Brother or Sister, which does seem to hint that they're in direct competition in some way.
She's also deliberately kept in practice over the last decade and a half, while Kanan spent much of that time at the bottom of a bottle, trying to forget the whole thing. Add to that he wasn't anywhere near as experienced as her. I think he'd only gone on two or three missions with Billaba prior to order 66 while Ahsoka had been in the field for three years or more. So yeah, she's better than she ever was while Kanan is still struggling to catch up to where he was when he was a kid.
I'm curious as to what's going to happen between this point and ANH that means Leia takes over Bail's seat. I mean sure, we can assume it's to dedicate more time to the rebellion, but what's the official story? Retirement? Did Breha pass away? Probably not the latter since one assumes that would automatically make Leia Queen...unless she's a Princess Regent perhaps?
Now that I think of it, something does happen at the end of season 2 that may have necessitated Bail increasing his time commitments.
Now that I think of it, something does happen at the end of season 2 that may have necessitated Bail increasing his time commitments.
The loss of Ahsoka
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A spreading Rebellion would also do that. There is no telling just how large the rebellion is with all its separate cells, and just how much Bail is responsible for at any given time.
Phoenix group appears to have a half dozen combat ships, another half dozen transports, and a squadron or two of A-wings around their area of responsibility. Other cells could be a local street club, a freighter crew, a resistance movement (such as on Ryloth), or even a planetary government with real warships (supposedly Mon Cala).
Phoenix group appears to have a half dozen combat ships, another half dozen transports, and a squadron or two of A-wings around their area of responsibility. Other cells could be a local street club, a freighter crew, a resistance movement (such as on Ryloth), or even a planetary government with real warships (supposedly Mon Cala).
^Most of the mundane logistics already seems to be delegated at the local level, with cells expected to be able to "acquire" most of their own supplies and personnel. No what I'm talking about is information and intelligence logistics. I'm not saying the expanding rebellion couldn't also be a factor, just that there's also a fairly large one also in play.
As per the new novel, Ahsoka wasn't just "a" spy for the rebellion, she was "the" spymaster. The Nick Fury of Star Wars if you will.
Loosing her would have transferred most of the higher level back onto Bail, in addition with his coordinating between the cells, directing relief supplies for oppressed populations AND all of his normal duties of Representing Alderaan and it's sector in the Imperial Senate. All while not raising the suspicions of the ISB.
That may have proven too much to juggle, so he had Leia take his seat in the senate, where she could take up some of the bureaucratic load and still work as his agent on Coruscant.
Loosing her would have transferred most of the higher level back onto Bail, in addition with his coordinating between the cells, directing relief supplies for oppressed populations AND all of his normal duties of Representing Alderaan and it's sector in the Imperial Senate. All while not raising the suspicions of the ISB.
That may have proven too much to juggle, so he had Leia take his seat in the senate, where she could take up some of the bureaucratic load and still work as his agent on Coruscant.
As a bit of an aside, what is with young people assuming roles of such great importance and responsibility in the SW universe? In ANH Leia is 19 and already representing her homeworld in the Senate. And then in the Prequels, Amidala is what, 14, 15 in TPM and is ruler of the planet. And in AOTC she says she wasn't the youngest elected Queen, meaning at some point in Naboo's past they were ruled over by someone younger than 14, and this was a choice of the people.
I can understand young people being propelled into roles of larger responsibility due to war, there's plenty of real world precedent for that. But Senators at the age most people are attending their post-secondary education, planetary rules still in the throws of puberty, and this apparently is the norm? How does this even happen?
Even TFA has General Hux and Kylo Ren, both being apparent senior leaders in the First Order with no superiors other than Snoke despite only being in their early thirties, but this presumably is intentional to show how small the First Order actually is.
Sorry, I know this has probably been brought up before, it's just the discussion in this thread got those thoughts tumbling in my head, so I figured I'd bring the issue up.
I can understand young people being propelled into roles of larger responsibility due to war, there's plenty of real world precedent for that. But Senators at the age most people are attending their post-secondary education, planetary rules still in the throws of puberty, and this apparently is the norm? How does this even happen?
Even TFA has General Hux and Kylo Ren, both being apparent senior leaders in the First Order with no superiors other than Snoke despite only being in their early thirties, but this presumably is intentional to show how small the First Order actually is.
Sorry, I know this has probably been brought up before, it's just the discussion in this thread got those thoughts tumbling in my head, so I figured I'd bring the issue up.
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Some people juggle geese.
I think we have see non-Force sensitive kids building or repairing droids and speeders a few times. Have seen what are basically kids in politics aside from Padme (Lux comes to mind. He's not much older than Ahsoka). There is no telling how many species in the galaxy have tiny lifespans. The humans have been part of the galactic scene for some 25,000 years or more now. I suppose education and genetics have forced higher learning at a younger and younger age. Think of Star Trek kids earning calculus before the age of 10, and equivalents of warp drive theory in high school. Just set that for politics and you have Star Wars.
The deleted scene of Attack of the Clone that shows some of Padme's past make you wonder if that was after she was Queen (for eight years it seems) or before she was queen (meaning when she was like 12 years old.) She's only been a senator for a few years at that point at the most even if she went from Queen right to Senator.
The deleted scene of Attack of the Clone that shows some of Padme's past make you wonder if that was after she was Queen (for eight years it seems) or before she was queen (meaning when she was like 12 years old.) She's only been a senator for a few years at that point at the most even if she went from Queen right to Senator.
I wouldn't try to overthink it too much. Remember that Star Wars has always been more fantasy than science fiction and young leaders -- especially royalty -- are a very common trope, usually serving as the love interest or prize. Indeed that was the reason Leia was created in the first place. The first iteration of her character was little more than a hollow caricature for Padawan learner Annikin Starkiller to fall in love with (just as unconvincingly as his name's inheritor I might add.)
Yes there's plenty of real world historical precedent for young people (by modern standards) holding positions of great power and responsibility. As well as the fact that until the previous century, the mortality rates and shorter life spans meant that 12 years old was considered close enough to adult in some quarters. However, the real reason here is the same as in any pulp story features young protagonists; those are their audience surrogate.
In-universe though, there is this thing mentioned in 'Bloodline' referred to as "the elder houses". From context it seems as though there's an historical reason why there are Kings, Queens and Princesses running around a world full of space ships and laser guns.
Nothing has been specified yet, but the general notion seems to be that prior to the Old Republic, there were a bunch of (mostly?) human colony worlds that operated on a sort of feudal system. It would make sense if this was the early days of space travel. Travelling times would be long, communication lag would be almost as bad and habitable planets difficult to reach, so co-coordinating an empire larger than a few neighbouring systems would be untenable.
At some point though (probably when hyperspace travel was discovered), that limitation was breached and little kingdoms gave way to larger and larger empires. Consolidation means a lot of these royal lines bled into each other leading to a fairly wide-spread aristocracy. Though planets like Naboo and Alderaan have long since embraced democracy, the cultural traditions of that time remain in various forms.
That includes the expectation that the young leadership class be expected to take the reigns early. This actually isn't so different from some tribal structures (including some still in practice today) where the elders prefer to take a more advisory capacity and encourage their youths to take up the day-to-day responsibility of leadership almost as soon as they're considered adults.
Yes there's plenty of real world historical precedent for young people (by modern standards) holding positions of great power and responsibility. As well as the fact that until the previous century, the mortality rates and shorter life spans meant that 12 years old was considered close enough to adult in some quarters. However, the real reason here is the same as in any pulp story features young protagonists; those are their audience surrogate.
In-universe though, there is this thing mentioned in 'Bloodline' referred to as "the elder houses". From context it seems as though there's an historical reason why there are Kings, Queens and Princesses running around a world full of space ships and laser guns.
Nothing has been specified yet, but the general notion seems to be that prior to the Old Republic, there were a bunch of (mostly?) human colony worlds that operated on a sort of feudal system. It would make sense if this was the early days of space travel. Travelling times would be long, communication lag would be almost as bad and habitable planets difficult to reach, so co-coordinating an empire larger than a few neighbouring systems would be untenable.
At some point though (probably when hyperspace travel was discovered), that limitation was breached and little kingdoms gave way to larger and larger empires. Consolidation means a lot of these royal lines bled into each other leading to a fairly wide-spread aristocracy. Though planets like Naboo and Alderaan have long since embraced democracy, the cultural traditions of that time remain in various forms.
That includes the expectation that the young leadership class be expected to take the reigns early. This actually isn't so different from some tribal structures (including some still in practice today) where the elders prefer to take a more advisory capacity and encourage their youths to take up the day-to-day responsibility of leadership almost as soon as they're considered adults.
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Leia was the Senator in ANH? I thought she was just Bail's aid.
I thought Leia says she is a part of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan?
Need to rewatch it.
Need to rewatch it.
