Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[Dick Whitman]

I like this whole cast. But I wonder where they are going with most of the cast getting superpowers. Most fans do not want to see anyone leave. Yet do we really want everyone to be Barry's costume sidekicks? I am taking Caitlyn and Cisco in particular. They always had costumes and powers in their future if it follows the comics. But in the comics Vibe and Killer Frost would probably spin off into their own comics and only appear in The Flash once and awhile. Going back to the previous status quo to maintain the old team is going to be disappointing. Yet I still want this show to be primarily about The Flash himself. Not become "The Flash and his Amazing Friends".

 

[Mr Light]

I just realized something. This episode didn't show any sign of the post-Flashpoint changes. Cisco was back to being a jokester again. Joe and Iris were all chummy again.

 

[Dick Whitman]

You misread those changes. Both were temporary personal conflicts which they all overcame . Even if caused originally by a changed timeline.

 

[Mr Light]

I just find it conveient that these people were suffering some serious, long-term interpersonal issues that are completely gone after two episodes.... ;-) Don't get me wrong, I didn't like those changes so I'm happy to see them gone, but I just think it was too fast and too easy.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I have mixed thoughts on it. If a viewer missed the season finale and the first two episodes of this new season they would think most of these new developments happened without the timeline changes. All where progressions of things that could have happened eventually. At this point Alchemy could just be a new villian.

It's strange that every season they need a new source for the villians. The original particle accelerator accident should have been a catch all for any idea. That they went back to that for Mirror Master and the Top is telling. But last year they were sent from Earth 2 by Zoom and this season the pattern is Alchemy restoring Metas who had powers in Flashpoint timeline. Why was that even nessasary? Alchemy could just have been giving people who never had powers something they always wanted. Much simpler.

I guess I am still not fan of Flashpoint and I am glad it's been fairly easy, so far, to ignore it and enjoy everything else I do like this season.

 

[Snaploud]

The original particle accelerator accident should have been a catch all for any idea. That they went back to that for Mirror Master and the Top is telling.

The accelerator accident happened 3 years ago. How many explanations can they come up with for why a new accelerator accident villain has been in hiding for 3+ years? Even Mirror Master's explanation was a bit strange. The guy has been stuck in a mirror for 3 years...but he's still alive...somehow...without food...or water...or any memory of the last 3 years...?

 

[Christopher]

- If you're going to bring Wentworth Miller back, actually bring his character back for real instead of wasting his presence on flashbacks and holograms

He will be around again on two or three of the shows this season. I'm sure this was just a sample.

I also want to see more superheroics from her, and we can't if she's not on Earth-1.

Oh, I dunno... They could always do another episode or two set on Earth-2. In fact, I seem to recall reading that

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there will be an episode involving Grodd and Gorilla City, and that city is on Earth-2, so I imagine the episode would have to be set there.

Heck, they don't even need to have the main team cross over to Earth-2. Remember how Fringe's third season largely alternated between episodes set on the two parallel worlds with their own alternate versions of the cast? Maybe this show could do that from time to time, just do an episode about Wells and Jesse on Earth-2, maybe involving Detective Iris and Bowtie Barry and whoever else is still alive over there.

I liked Scutter and Rosa as villains, and think they did a nice job with the character effects for their powers, although calling Rosa "Top" because she could induce vertigo really doesn't make much sense to me.

The idea is that she makes people dizzy as though they've been spun like a top. It's a bit convoluted, though. And it's kind of a silly name when spoken aloud.

I appreciate the little Easter Eggs to DC history that probably a very small number of viewers will get. McCulloch being the name of the Earth 2 Mirror Master Wells mentioned. During the late 80s Sam Scudder was dead and that was his replacement.

Did he have that mirror gun that Hary talked about?

I just find it conveient that these people were suffering some serious, long-term interpersonal issues that are completely gone after two episodes.... ;-) Don't get me wrong, I didn't like those changes so I'm happy to see them gone, but I just think it was too fast and too easy.

Well, Iris's issue was the same one she had with Joe and then got over last season, involving him not telling her about her mother. She just got over it a little later this time around.

As for Cisco grieving his brother -- the thing about grief for a loved one is that it isn't 24/7 after a while. You start to get back to life as normal, but the grief is there in the background and sometimes it hits you again.

The accelerator accident happened 3 years ago. How many explanations can they come up with for why a new accelerator accident villain has been in hiding for 3+ years? Even Mirror Master's explanation was a bit strange. The guy has been stuck in a mirror for 3 years...but he's still alive...somehow...without food...or water...or any memory of the last 3 years...?

Either he was in suspended animation or his initial "wormhole" jumped him forward through time.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I am fairly certain McCulloch was given Scudder's own Mirror Master costume and weapons.

 

[DarthPipes]

The was the most fun episode of the show in a long time. It reminded me of how good the show used to be before Barry became a selfish idiot who causes every major threat the team confronts in a season. Before the Zoom doom and gloom to quote a reviewer.

 

[Sketcher]

Honestly....

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Why would the team want yet another Wells? The last two they encountered have both had hidden agendas and betrayed the team at various points. Do they seriously want to tempt fate a third time?

 

[Xerxes82]

Honestly....

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Why would the team want yet another Wells? The last two they encountered have both had hidden agendas and betrayed the team at various points. Do they seriously want to tempt fate a third time?

Well, so far the show has loved nothing quite as much as repeating the formula, so why not? More speedster villains incoming before long as well, I assume.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Fun episode. I really liked seeing Flash and Jessie Quick speeding together. The way Flash used mirrors to trap the Mirror Master was very cool. One little science nitpick: the characters at one point say that absolute zero is not enough because there is still some entropy left or something. That was poorly worded. Absolute zero is by definition the coldest you can get where all atomic motion ceases.

Can't wait to see what happens with Caitlin and her "frosty" powers. I did find the talk between Joe and Barry to be super cringe worthy. Not sure what to make of the new Harrison Wells yet. It seems like we are going to get a total goof ball this time instead of the super serious Wells.

 

[Mudd]

I suspect the "total goof ball" is a disarming put-on by the new Wells.

 

[Christopher]

Fun episode. I really liked seeing Flash and Jessie Quick speeding together. The way Flash used mirrors to trap the Mirror Master was very cool. One little science nitpick: the characters at one point say that absolute zero is not enough because there is still some entropy left or something. That was poorly worded. Absolute zero is by definition the coldest you can get where all atomic motion ceases.

They said it was the lowest possible temperature, but not the lowest possible enthalpy state. Which is actually correct, because of quantum effects:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

It is commonly thought of as the lowest temperature possible, but it is not the lowest enthalpy state possible, because all real substances begin to depart from the ideal gas when cooled as they approach the change of state to liquid, and then to solid; and the sum of the enthalpy of vaporization (gas to liquid) and enthalpy of fusion (liquid to solid) exceeds the ideal gas's change in enthalpy to absolute zero. In the quantum-mechanical description, matter (solid) at absolute zero is in its ground state, the point of lowest internal energy.

The laws of thermodynamics dictate that absolute zero cannot be reached using only thermodynamic means, as the temperature of the substance being cooled approaches the temperature of the cooling agent asymptotically. A system at absolute zero still possesses quantum mechanical zero-point energy, the energy of its ground state at absolute zero. The kinetic energy of the ground state cannot be removed.

 

[Romulan_spy]

They said it was the lowest possible temperature, but not the lowest possible enthalpy state. Which is actually correct, because of quantum effects:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

Ok. Thanks. I guess I misheard it. Very interesting.

 

[John Clark]

Poison Ivy!

Just saw the flick on Sunday and was thinking the same thing

 

[Vendikarr]

Is there a name for someone who controls plant life? Florokinetic maybe?

 

[kirk55555]

Another good episode. I'm so glad we finally get Mirror Master on the show, and he was done well. Top was disappointing, but Mirror Master made up for her being lame. I'm glad the character dynamic's are mostly back to normal, Cisco and harry especially had some great banter/moments. Barry's fights with Mirror Master were cool and something I've wanted to see for awhile. No Draco in today's episode, which was nice.

The new Harrison is interesting. I'm sure he's going to have some hidden agenda, and I like Harry better but HR is an interesting addition. The end of the episode, with Caitlin showing more Frost powers, was cool. I hgope that plot points gets a focus soon. Overall, a great episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The new Wells acts like a parody of an Autistic person with ADHD, which is really off-putting and borderline offensive and does both the show and Tom Cavanagh a major disservic

You're gonna have to expand on that one. What abouut HR gave you that impression? All I saw was a goofy hipster.

 

[Christopher]

Is there a name for someone who controls plant life? Florokinetic maybe?

Well, "-kinesis" is from Greek, and the Greek root for "plant" is "phyto-." So it would be "phytokinetic."