Well then, in that case I can utter a sigh of relief, since I thought the ep was appreciated.
"Great" episodes that you don't really care for
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I stand by what I said. Describing humanity specifically as "evolved" was a TNG-era trope that distinguished it from TOS.
I welcome some true ENT fans to disagree, but over the years, I can only recall having seen it referenced as a controversial episode that posters strongly disagree with.
Well, I was away from this board for ten years, so the generally agreed upon opinion among the fans might have evolved, or should I say have become more enlightened (pun intended
) from what I recall.
When it aired, Dear Doctor was a well received episode, indeed many described it as Enterprise's first episode which "felt like Star Trek." In recent years it has generated backlash from a number of fans who disagree with Phlox's solution, but back in 2002 very few seemed to mind.
i'm happy enough with my posts too. Evolved doesn't necessarily imply one has reached an end-stage. Whereas TNG was initially rolled out as utopian. But there is a hubris with our heroes in TOS or else we wouldn't have so many superaliens popping up politely telling them whilst they show promise for some unique enlighted philosophy or behaviour, they are as yet far too uncivilised and until they get civilised, to get lost.
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As a huge fan of TNG, "The Inner Light" has just never been a particular favourite.
"Far Beyond The Stars" in DS9... it feels too clumsy in a "let's remind everybody about racism" kind of way; just didn't feel natural for DS9 at this time.
"Far Beyond The Stars" in DS9... it feels too clumsy in a "let's remind everybody about racism" kind of way; just didn't feel natural for DS9 at this time.
It was pretty widely reviled, but not universally. Nothing is ever 100%.
"Far Beyond The Stars" in DS9
Interesting to see actors without makeup in different roles, that is about it- seen it once and that is fine
'Chain of Command" in TNG
I will grant it does have some great performances and upper tier guest stars, but I did not care for it at all.
"Endgame" in ST-V
Some cool visuals but the the story seemed to be a contrived mess to me. Sudden romances, sudden illnesses, Janeway trying to be two characters and worst of all- the grand finale for seven years of struggles is just to cruise into the sunset toward Earth,
"The Inner Light" in TNG
Completely depressing and illogical for me. The extinct race had fairly basic technology but also could produce a sophisticated probe with capabilities far beyond anything the Federation could manage. Patrick Stewart gave a magnificent performance, but I don't want to watch it again.
Interesting to see actors without makeup in different roles, that is about it- seen it once and that is fine
'Chain of Command" in TNG
I will grant it does have some great performances and upper tier guest stars, but I did not care for it at all.
"Endgame" in ST-V
Some cool visuals but the the story seemed to be a contrived mess to me. Sudden romances, sudden illnesses, Janeway trying to be two characters and worst of all- the grand finale for seven years of struggles is just to cruise into the sunset toward Earth,
"The Inner Light" in TNG
Completely depressing and illogical for me. The extinct race had fairly basic technology but also could produce a sophisticated probe with capabilities far beyond anything the Federation could manage. Patrick Stewart gave a magnificent performance, but I don't want to watch it again.
I have to agree with a lot of the talk regarding "Space Seed". Khan is an interesting character, but the episode itself is rather so-so. Thinking back on Lt. McGivers, about the only appeal she could possibly have to Khan is that he could (and essentially did) possess her, and willingly.
Scorpion. It was done better on TNG and just felt like a big dumb action two-part episode. It had very little substance for my liking.
Year of Hell. A good VOY episode but not one of the best episodes in the franchise as some would lead you to believe. It felt like a big strip tease and I didn't find the Krenim to be a particularly engaging villain.
Year of Hell. A good VOY episode but not one of the best episodes in the franchise as some would lead you to believe. It felt like a big strip tease and I didn't find the Krenim to be a particularly engaging villain.
You're dead to me.
I'm not a big fan of Far Beyond the Stars.It starts off fun, but gets too preacy in my opinion.
I don't like either "City on the Edge of Forever" or "In the Pale Moonlight" because I disagree with the ideologies behind them. I don't like that "City" is an anti-pacifism story, though I concede that the issue is complicated, given the specific aspect of history the episode is dealing with. Buy my dislike of "In the Pale Moonlight" goes beyond my rejection of its anything-goes-in-war message. I just don't think it's all that artful and engaging, and I think the device of Sisko's narration is clumsily applied.
I don't know if "Dark Frontier" or "Future's End" are widely loved, but they're the kind of big cinematic adventures that seem to want to be widely loved, and I'm not much impressed with either.
Of the movies, I can't stand First Contact. The Picard and Lily stuff is okay, though I find the action sequences dull. But I hate how they turn Cochrane into a buffoon, and the stuff with Data and the Borg Queen seems like the titillated fantasy of a thirteen year-old sci fi fan building a robot in the garage.
I don't know if "Dark Frontier" or "Future's End" are widely loved, but they're the kind of big cinematic adventures that seem to want to be widely loved, and I'm not much impressed with either.
Of the movies, I can't stand First Contact. The Picard and Lily stuff is okay, though I find the action sequences dull. But I hate how they turn Cochrane into a buffoon, and the stuff with Data and the Borg Queen seems like the titillated fantasy of a thirteen year-old sci fi fan building a robot in the garage.
If the plan had worked, how many people through-out the galaxy would have been saved from the Borg's horrors.
Perhaps the (completely unintentional) theme of TNG is that they are in fact "conceited." With the main problem being Picard. In many ways Picard seem more than a little disconnected from the reality of the universe around him, when held up next to other 24th century senior officers, he (and his spoken of philosophy) definately is the odd man out.
One of my favorite. To me the big thing about the episode is the fact that Phlox has a non-Human point of view, which he has no trouble explaining and advancing.
My "don't care for episodes" would have to be anything with Q, I never have understood the character's popularity.
Just because a character espouses a certain universeview doesn't mean they are always right. What they think about things and what's true can be two different things, no matter how sincere they are in their beliefs.
'I Borg' and 'Dear Doctor' episodes remind me of 'would you go back in time to Austria and kill Baby Adolf Hitler' morality.
I agree about I Borg, why would there by any hesitation about destroying the Borg?
I think the issue was using one Borg to destroy the rest when said Borg discovered his individuality. Hugh became Bambi and no one wants to kill Bambi
"The Devil in the Dark" is one of the few original series episodes that to me felt too dated and uninvolving, I didn't see the appeal of "Arena", and "Brothers" and "Darmok" felt OK but pretty stretched-out rather than fantastic.
"Trials and Tribble-ations" was just OK, a little too self-impressed, and I kind of hated "The Andorian Incident".
Edit: To me "The Way of the Warrior" is also OK but pretty overrated.
"Trials and Tribble-ations" was just OK, a little too self-impressed, and I kind of hated "The Andorian Incident".
Edit: To me "The Way of the Warrior" is also OK but pretty overrated.
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