Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)
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Interesting. Judging by that house it looks like Cham was in a position of authority and/or privilege even before becoming a folk hero. No wonder Orn Free Taa saw him as a legitimate political threat.
Does this technically make Hera an aristocrat of sorts? "Lady Syndulla" has an oddly appealing ring to it.
Does this technically make Hera an aristocrat of sorts? "Lady Syndulla" has an oddly appealing ring to it.
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My impression of the trench run was that after they lost Red Leader, the rest of them were a bit unsure exactly how to proceed, especially since at least two runs had already failed. Luke was the only one that spoke up with a definitive "plan", so Biggs and Wedge fell in line since they apparently didn't have a better idea. With a job as critical to do as theirs, it doesn't matter who outranks who, it just matters that the job gets done.
I wouldn't go that far. They knew their role in the operation and he gave them their orders before being shot down. What happened next was that Luke took charge of the last run and the other just went with it.
Just to be clear: I'm not claiming that this lacks credibility in any way, just that it's an interesting indicator to Wedge's character. In theory he's the senior pilot of the three and almost certainly has more combat experience than the other two combined. My personal read on it is that Wedge is generally speaking a more passive person and less prone to asserting himself, even when on paper he probably should have.
Assuming that Fake Wedge is Wedge, Wedge had already expressed doubts that the computer could hit the target back in the mission briefing. Luke on the other hand seemed confident it was possible, even without computer help. That might have influenced Red Leader's thinking in placing Luke in charge, if he had heard the exchange, and it might have influenced Wedge's decision to put his trust in Luke for their run.
Right, but I was referring specifically to the conversation between Luke and Fake Wedge.
Actually IIRC he's voiced by the same guy who's also dubbing Lawson, not Lawson himself who didn't get to keep his own voice until RotJ. It's pretty bizarre when you think about it, especially since I think the guy dubbing him in tESB is someone else again. All told four people were playing Wedge in those movies.
Wookieepedia says that David Ankrum dubbed both Fake Wedge and Wedge in the first film, but doesn't comment on Empire or Jedi.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wedge_Antilles
Don't recall exactly where I read it and I've read so many "making of" type books over the years it's hard to keep it all straight. However if you listen to Wedge's dialogue in each of the three films, it does sound like a different person is doing it every time.
^^^ Not to mention the different versions of the same 3 movies.
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Pretty sure Wedge in Empire and Jedi are not dubbed.
Lawson also voiced Wedge in Rogue Squadron 2.
This episode was actually originally about Biggs, but timeline complications with his backstory established in ANH changed that.
Sabine's alias in this episode was a name used in an early version of Rogue One.
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/the-antilles-extraction-episode-guide
Also the wings of the TIE Fighters coming off, was indeed an intentional nod to the toys.
Lawson also voiced Wedge in Rogue Squadron 2.
This episode was actually originally about Biggs, but timeline complications with his backstory established in ANH changed that.
Sabine's alias in this episode was a name used in an early version of Rogue One.
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/the-antilles-extraction-episode-guide
Also the wings of the TIE Fighters coming off, was indeed an intentional nod to the toys.
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It's interesting, all the times I've seen the OT and all the various background details I've known over the years, this is the first time I heard about Wedge being voiced by a different actor. I knew about the "Fake Wedge" from the briefing scene, but not this. Although, there was a moment there in ROTJ (just before the Death Star's reactor is destroyed, I think) that I noticed last year when I was re-watching the movies in preparation for TFA where you can slightly hear an English accent in Wedge's lines. At the time I just assumed that Lawson was talking with a fake accent throughout the trilogy and that his actual accent slipped through here.
Why did they have a separate actor doing Wedge's voice? While I can understand doing it was characters like Darth Vader or Boba Fett or aliens, it seems odd to do it with an actor playing a human character who does have a professional actor cast in the physical part.
Why did they have a separate actor doing Wedge's voice? While I can understand doing it was characters like Darth Vader or Boba Fett or aliens, it seems odd to do it with an actor playing a human character who does have a professional actor cast in the physical part.
Wow, I feel like like Nostradamus. Like I've said they'd do, they took one thing he does in the comics to make him seem like the old character. Then they make it very simplistic, and in this case it also gives him way too much insight, unless he knew everything he said from intelligence reports already and is just pretending to get insight from the painting to intimidate Hera (which makes more sense in this context but probably isn't whats happening). The real Thrawn used paintings to try to learn about possible cultural or subconscious trends that alien species have, he didn't use them to psychoanalyze individual people. It was more of an overall thing, not focused on individuals. But, that's too complex for the 4-7 year old audience I guess, so now a character called Thrawn can look at a random painting and instantly know a lot about his opponent. I'm surprised that he didn't tell Hera what she had for lunch that day just by looking at the painting.
It's definitely not Lawson's voice, it's David Ankrum's. I'm still not 100% sure what the situation was with Empire or Jedi, but Wikipedia claims what I previous stated, but since it doesn't cite a source (surprise, surprise) I've yet to actually verify it as fact. I'll keep digging though.
At a guess because Denis Lawson has a Scottish accent. It's not like they singled him out, just about everyone other than the principle cast in this movie were Brits and had their voices dubbed over with american accents.
It's amusing in retrospect that in the lore, British RP has become synonymous with Imperials when you actually watch the original movie as see that aside from Cushing, all but maybe one or two Imperials had American accents. To be fair, Tarkin & Piett were the two most prominent Imperial officer types and were both speaking in RP.
Something of an understatement.
Not all though. I gather some were able to fake a US accent well enough for their voices to be kept (I think this applies to the bloke who played Red Leader, but not 100% sure.)
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Meh, I thought the Thrawn trilogy overdid it anyway with him being able to formulate victory strategies by studying artwork. But whatever, that's the character fandom fell in love with, and that scene seems perfectly in line with what was in the trilogy to me.
Considering most EU Imperial villains were ridiculous moustache twirling parodies and ineffectual buffoons, it's no wonder Thrawn stood apart as an intelligent, analytical tactician with an urbane civility that belied his utter ruthlessness.
As for the art thing, it wasn't so much that formulated strategies with it, so much as used it as a way to understand the psychology of his opponents, predict how they might think and identify weaknesses in their perception. Not just visual art either, but their history, music philosophy and culture. It wasn't something he exclusively relied on, barely at all really, but it was how he was introduced in the first novel and the image stuck.
Basically it was just a new and visually interesting way to present Sun Tsu's "know your enemy" philosophy.
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