Wesley's Quarters

[ToddKent]

So when Wes and his mom first came aboard the Enterprise I assume that due to Beverly's rank they got some pretty nice officer's family quarters. So the next year when she left I can't image that Wes was allowed to stay in those nice digs. If not, do you think he got regular, single civilian quarters (even though he was an "acting" ensign at the time) or had to bunk with some other lower ranked officers (like the quarters seen in "Lower Decks")?

Also, after a year of independence, when Beverly came back do you think he kept the same quarters? He was still a minor at the time so it wouldn't be unusual for him to live with a parent but he might not have wanted to and by that time he probably earned a little leeway.

Also, when he finally got the full field promotion to ensign I got the impression that the two did not live together, but I could be wrong. Seems like a lot of moving around for young Wesley. I'm just wondering what the Starfleet regulations about stuff like this would be.

 

[In Thy Image]

I think Starfleet would be pretty liberal about this. Even if Wesley was a minor it's not like he could run away. He is in a strictly controlled environment, one computer scan from being found by his mother if necessary. If he wanted his own quarters he would just have to fill a form I imagine. Jake Sisko moved to his own quarters, and if I remember correctly he just sent a request.
According to the TNG

 

[In Thy Image]

Continued from previous post:
According to TNG Technical Manual "Each person aboard the Enterprise is assigned approximately 110 square meters of personal living quarters space. (...) Families may request that their living quarters be combined to create a single larger dwelling. Living quarters decks are designed to be modular with movable walls to permit reconfiguration for such requests as crew load and structure change" So it is possible they made his room smaller after Beverly left. Also I found the idea that people share rooms on a huge Galaxy class starship ridiculous. Perhaps it is a character building thing for young officers?

 

[ToddKent]

Also I found the idea that people share rooms on a huge Galaxy class starship ridiculous. Perhaps it is a character building thing for young officers?

Yeah the Galaxy class is pretty huge but there are over a thousand people living on it as well as tons of labs, work areas, schools, barber shops, etc. Not too mention the amount of space that things like engineering, shuttle bays, stellar cartography (the cool movie version and the lame TV version) and the like must take up. (And don't forget the room where the dolphins live.) So I have no problem with the junior officers bunking up.

I've always wondered about the amount of civilians on board and their day to day life. There has to be some quarters better than other so I wonder how much choice they have on the matter of where the live on board.

 

[In Thy Image]

I've always wondered about the amount of civilians on board and their day to day life. There has to be some quarters better than other so I wonder how much choice they have on the matter of where the live on board.

Most quarters are probably similar in terms of amenities. They certainly have a replicator, sonic shower, LCARS, etc. Realistically the technology they have would enable simulated windows with various vistas (even though this was never shown) so a room with a view would not be that coveted. Not to mention people stopped caring about acquiring wealth and material stuff So the only difference would be size, which would be decided by central planing. For example in socialist countries the apartments were given to the people by the state. If you were a just a regular worker you would get a smaller apartment (possibly shared), families had a right to a bigger apartment or a house. If you were more important (scientist, director, etc.) you would get an even bigger apartment. Perhaps Starfleet had a similar system where you were upwardly mobile.

 

[1moreRobot]

Always struck me as kind of weird that Data, second officer, got a windowless room. I always chalked it up to some thinking along the lines of "oh he's an android who wouldn't enjoy the view anyway." But he's an android who practices painting and plays Mozart and performs Shakespeare. He's trying to understand humans and the things they value. So why does he get the claustrophobia-central quarters?

 

[Santa Kang]

Always struck me as kind of weird that Data, second officer, got a windowless room. I always chalked it up to some thinking along the lines of "oh he's an android who wouldn't enjoy the view anyway." But he's an android who practices painting and plays Mozart and performs Shakespeare. He's trying to understand humans and the things they value. So why does he get the claustrophobia-central quarters?

They deactivated his claustrophobia sub routine.

 

[In Thy Image]

Always struck me as kind of weird that Data, second officer, got a windowless room. I always chalked it up to some thinking along the lines of "oh he's an android who wouldn't enjoy the view anyway." But he's an android who practices painting and plays Mozart and performs Shakespeare. He's trying to understand humans and the things they value. So why does he get the claustrophobia-central quarters?

Data was much more "robotic" in early seasons and perhaps didn't care about such things when quarters were assigned. His quarters are more of a working area anyway, with a big computer terminal. He didn't need sleep, so he could either work or spend time in a holodeck. Also, we're forgetting that he was not trying to understand and emulate 21st century humans. By the 24th century humans stopped being obsessed by material and wealth, and Data's spartan quarters reflect that.

 

[USS KG5]

Also I found the idea that people share rooms on a huge Galaxy class starship ridiculous. Perhaps it is a character building thing for young officers?

QFT - there is no way it was because of space, the Ent-D is VAST, in reality with 1000 people on board you could walk around all day and never see anyone, it's that big. Voyager is almost as bad, 150 people on a ship bigger than a Nimitz class carrier!

It is likely as you say to help encourage character building, co-operation and teamwork amongst the young ensigns. Having to deal with each other, running departments with minimal experience (they are officers, they command people presumably, lets not get into the whole officers/noncoms in TNG thing again) they probably need a lot of support.

The risk otherwise would be a kind of isolation, the kind really only Picard needs to have on the Ent-D.

 

[Tenacity]

By the 24th century humans stopped being obsessed by material and wealth, and Data's spartan quarters reflect that.

Then how do you explain Picard's quarters? Picard is the poster child for the "Humans have evolved" BS.

 

[SPCTRE]

re: Wesley

of course it helps if the Captain is your father because he sort of had a low key thing with your mom and then he killed her husband (whoops!), nepotism yadda yadda

 

[In Thy Image]

Then how do you explain Picard's quarters? Picard is the poster child for the "Humans have evolved" BS.

They have evolved. If you are rich today, you won't just have a bigger house, the technology and quality of materials will be different. By extension, so will your quality of life. A wealthier person will have a huge 4k HDTV, while somebody less wealthy will only own a small SD television set. Exotic wood floors instead of regular wood, an expensive car instead of some cheap, mass produced one, etc. If you have money, perhaps you will pay somebody to clean the house for you?
What does Picard really have that Data does not? They both have a replicator (presumably with the same capabilities), bed, LCARS, carpeted floors, holodeck access, the ship cleans itself, etc. Picard's quarters are bigger (but not THAT much bigger), they have a window and a dining table. A bit more cozy, but not too different IMO.
As for giving up material wealth, it all depends on how you interpret that line. To me this means that, sure, you will have some personal possessions (Picard's family album and books, Riker's trombone, etc.), but you won't own ten mansions (most of which you never use), or kill for money, gold, whatever. For me portrayal of Federation citizens in Star Trek is consistent with "no material wealth" line.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

According to technical manual Data was given ensign's accomodations simply because he didn't care.

Who knows what Wesley was given? His entire stay on the ship is nepotism.

 

[Santa Kang]

According to technical manual Data was given ensign's accomodations simply because he didn't care.

Who knows what Wesley was given? His entire stay on the ship is nepotism.

Then wouldn't that be the case for all dependents on the ship? Keiko. Jeremy Aster. Alexander. All the spouses add children of Starfleet personnel.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Keiko lived with O'Brien, Alexander lived with Worf. Wesley in season one lived with Beverly, but there's the question of what happened when he turned 18 and became the age when he was an adult and would want his space from his mother. Probably he was just given Ensign's quarters, because TNG is bigger on protocol than other series.

 

[Kor]

Then how do you explain Picard's quarters? Picard is the poster child for the "Humans have evolved" BS.

It's because he was a pompous hypocrite.

Kor

 

[Santa Kang]

Keiko lived with O'Brien, Alexander lived with Worf. Wesley in season one lived with Beverly, but there's the question of what happened when he turned 18 and became the age when he was an adult and would want his space from his mother. Probably he was just given Ensign's quarters, because TNG is bigger on protocol than other series.

Yes, since he was an Ensign he would be assigned quarters like any other crewman. Prior to that he's a dependent and would be quartered with his mother. The real question should be, did Bev get a downgrade when Wes moved out?

 

[Tenacity]

but there's the question of what happened when he turned 18

If Wesley wasn't a Academy cadet, once he turned eighteen would he be required to leave the ship?

I would think that he would, if not at that age, then at some point. He wouldn't just keep living on the ship basically forever.

Keiko lived with O'Brien

Prior to her marriage to Miles she had her own quarters. She was already on the ship in some capacity.

 

[Santa Kang]

If Wesley wasn't a Academy cadet, once he turned eighteen would he be required to leave the ship?

I would think that he would, if not at that age, then at some point. He wouldn't just keep living on the ship basically forever.Prior to her marriage to Miles she had her own quarters. She was already on the ship in some capacity.

That's right. She was a civilian botanist

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I mean he would have requested his own quarters when no longer a minor.

Good question what civilian accommodations look like.